The indefatigable Carl Edlund Anderson recommended "The Drummer's Bible", which I will certainly check out. The reason I'm writing this is I've noticed a few of you proposing to develop some stock patterns to speed things up. May I beg you to reconsider? These are fine for practice - basically drum loops - but if you write songs, then I would strongly recommend that you always write your drum parts, afresh every time. If you like to hang the melody and lyric together and fit your drums to that afterwards, then write to a metronome or click track. Otherwise, creating new rhythms can really ignite your song construction and phrasing. Also, you need to put the fills in at the appropriate moments and these should not always be in the same place in all your material! Should they? Hope I haven't misunderstood. Anyone agree/disagree/care to discuss? atb Adrian