Kit modification affects song patterns strangely

I've been working on something with David's Ludwig kit and noticed some odd behavior that may or may not have been reported before. I suppose I could have missed this on the list at some point, but here it is anyway: ------------------ I have a song started with a two patterns established. In one example, there's a crash in the first beat of the first pattern. I copy the first pattern, paste it in at the end, making it the third pattern, and delete the crash because it doesn't belong in the third pattern. This is a commonly used time-saving editing technique that I'm sure most users perform. I hear something I don't like with panning and volume on the high hat, so I open the kit in the kit editor and adjust it to taste. I save the kit and close the editor. I go back to the song and save it for good measure. I re-select the newly saved kit to bring the volume and panning changes into my song. After re-selecting the newly saved kit, the crash I had deleted from the third pattern after pasting it, re-appears in the spot I deleted it from. ------------------- This happens with other drums too, not just the crash. I find it a little bit scary that I have to go back through my patterns and hope that I find all the little doggiebox droppings that I did not intend. The workaround is obvious: Do all kit editing before building a song. On the other hand... It seems like this *should* work correctly at some point. It's natural to want to be able to make slight adjustments to the kit as well as the song itself.

On 09 2 2005 at 9:11 am -0500, Mike wrote:
After re-selecting the newly saved kit, the crash I had deleted from the third pattern after pasting it, re-appears in the spot I deleted it from.
Mike, Thanks for the report. I tried quickly to reproduce this by creating a new song, inserting a bar, putting some stuff in it, copying and pasting the bar to create a second bar, deleting a couple of hits from the latter, then re-selecting the drum kit. No problems. Is there a concrete set of steps that will reproduce this for you every time? -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

I didn't mention this, but I'm still using v 1.2 build 1C13. Is it possible this was only apparent in that version? Now that the nasty "trick candle" bug (as I liked to call the phenomenon where the cursor had no meaning) I will upgrade and see the problem goes away. On 2/10/05 12:42 AM, "Ben Kennedy" <ben@zygoat.ca> wrote:
On 09 2 2005 at 9:11 am -0500, Mike wrote:
After re-selecting the newly saved kit, the crash I had deleted from the third pattern after pasting it, re-appears in the spot I deleted it from.
Mike,
Thanks for the report. I tried quickly to reproduce this by creating a new song, inserting a bar, putting some stuff in it, copying and pasting the bar to create a second bar, deleting a couple of hits from the latter, then re-selecting the drum kit. No problems.
Is there a concrete set of steps that will reproduce this for you every time?
-ben

I just re-read your message. Don't simply re-select the kit... Instead, open it and edit it. Then, save it. NOW re-select it in the song and see what happens. It could still be related to the version. I just downloaded the new beta, by the way. So far, so good. On 2/10/05 12:42 AM, "Ben Kennedy" <ben@zygoat.ca> wrote:
On 09 2 2005 at 9:11 am -0500, Mike wrote:
After re-selecting the newly saved kit, the crash I had deleted from the third pattern after pasting it, re-appears in the spot I deleted it from.
Mike,
Thanks for the report. I tried quickly to reproduce this by creating a new song, inserting a bar, putting some stuff in it, copying and pasting the bar to create a second bar, deleting a couple of hits from the latter, then re-selecting the drum kit. No problems.
Is there a concrete set of steps that will reproduce this for you every time?
-ben

On 10 2 2005 at 7:52 am -0500, Mike wrote:
It could still be related to the version. I just downloaded the new beta, by the way. So far, so good.
Thanks Mike, I did my test in 1E7, but trying it again in 1C13 (even without altering the drum kit as you described) I do see what you're talking about. The good news is that this has already been inadvertently fixed in the new version due to other changes related to drum reconciliation. :) -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
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