Hey all, Happy 2005. A new interim beta build is available here: <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1E6.tbz> Here's the deal since the last build: • Selection highlighting in the pattern editor now works on a beat- subdivision granularity: - Mousing in a bar's header area provides a triangle cursor which when clicked will select the beat subdivision below it. - Double-clicking in the header area (or in the drum grid between beats) will select the entire bar. - Contiguous regions can be selected by holding the shift key. - Individual divisions may be toggled by holding the command key. • Copying/pasting bars will include only the selected beats (remainder of bar will be filled with rests). This will shortly be improved so that only the beats themselves will be copied. • Improved robustness of MIDI Clock tempo control so that response should be more solid and tempo slider should not wiggle. (Please report conditions under which you find it still does; for example, playing a nominally 140bpm passage with a 150bpm clock seems to cause oscillation between 105-107% on the slider.) • Temporary "Carlpatrick" diagnostic warning on nil drum event detection. This will raise an alert dialog in certain circumstances where empty drums are found in a pattern. Under normal operation this should never occur, so this is an effort to help track down why it does. Please report if you ever see this alert, and describe the circumstances that led up to it. (Named after Patrick and Carl who have both reported symptoms previously :) Next up, I hope to make some actual progress with pasting beats within bars and so on. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
On 19 Jan 2005, at 00:59, Ben Kennedy wrote:
Happy 2005. A new interim beta build is available here: <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1E6.tbz>
Hurrah! :) But is there something up with doggiebox.com at the moment? I can load other sites, but Safari keeps telling me it can't load doggiebox.com or any part of it ....? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/
On 19 Jan 2005, at 09:40, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
Hurrah! :) But is there something up with doggiebox.com at the moment? I can load other sites, but Safari keeps telling me it can't load doggiebox.com or any part of it ....?
Thanks to those who wrote to assure me that the problem seems to have just been me :) And, indeed, DB is downloading happily now .... :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/
I rushed straight off to try the new build during lunch :) On 19-Jan-2005 00:59, Ben Kennedy wrote:
• Temporary "Carlpatrick" diagnostic warning on nil drum event detection. This will raise an alert dialog in certain circumstances where empty drums are found in a pattern. Under normal operation this should never occur, so this is an effort to help track down why it does. Please report if you ever see this alert, and describe the circumstances that led up to it. (Named after Patrick and Carl who have both reported symptoms previously :)
Well, this alert duly pops up when I open the files on which I had previously seen the null drum!
- Mousing in a bar's header area provides a triangle cursor which when clicked will select the beat subdivision below it.
This seems to work, though my cursor looks more like a horizontal line with an arrow-headed line pointing down from it. However, it seemed to me that cursor accuracy has become a little flaky in this build. I often found that I had to click very carefully to be able to get the "eraser" to light up and let me delete something, with usually better results by nudging it over what seemed to be the lefthand side of a given icon (though sometimes it really didn't want to let me delete a given icon!). Likewise, clicking over a given beat-space sometimes saw a new icon placed over an adjacent beat-space (again, positioning the cursor over to the lefthand edge of the target space more often seemed to land the icon where I wanted it). Does anyone else see this sort of thing, or is it just me? Might this be an artifact of DB's new awareness of individual beats? Cheers, Carl ps: as a holiday present to myself, I ordered some books on drumming -- mostly so that I can go through learning the clever patterns I wouldn't have thought of on my own :) Looking forward to playing with those in DB :) pps: thanks to DB making it easier for me to record demos, the little band I play in is now rehearsing two songs that they probably wouldn't have gotten otherwise! :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/
On 19 1 2005 at 10:10 am -0500, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
Well, this alert duly pops up when I open the files on which I had previously seen the null drum!
Ok, makes sense. Now, if you re-save the file (after dismissing the dialog repeatedly as necessary to get into the song), close and re-open it, does the message continue to come up or is it gone? Specifically what I'm wondering is whether there is a problem in the file which is being solved (the null drums should be deleted at the same time as the message coming up), and then more importantly, whether it recurs. In other words I'm wondering if this null drum business is a result of some problem that was present in an earlier build but which is now gone, or whether it is still there. In short, I'm not sure yet what is causing the null drums in the first place.
This seems to work, though my cursor looks more like a horizontal line with an arrow-headed line pointing down from it.
Yep, I had been intending to replace that with an actual triangly-arrow- like cursor but hadn't gotten to it yet (that's a built-in Mac one for now temporarily). Thanks.
However, it seemed to me that cursor accuracy has become a little flaky in this build. [...]
Hmm... playing with this some, I now see at least part of what you're talking about. In particular, it seems that if you are mousing over the grid in a right-to-left direction and then you click in a beat, the drum is placed in a different beat (!) while it seems it work properly if you are approaching it left-to-right. I'll look into this; may well be related to the other phenomena you also described. Thanks!
pps: thanks to DB making it easier for me to record demos, the little band I play in is now rehearsing two songs that they probably wouldn't have gotten otherwise! :)
Nice, always good to hear! (Envious, currently bandless; must get writing again on my own...) -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
On 19 Jan 2005, at 16:28, Ben Kennedy wrote:
Ok, makes sense. Now, if you re-save the file (after dismissing the dialog repeatedly as necessary to get into the song), close and re-open it, does the message continue to come up or is it gone?
No, the Carlpatrick error message comes up everytime I open or save one of the files that was affected by a null drum event.
Specifically what I'm wondering is whether there is a problem in the file which is being solved (the null drums should be deleted at the same time as the message coming up), and then more importantly, whether it recurs. In other words I'm wondering if this null drum business is a result of some problem that was present in an earlier build but which is now gone, or whether it is still there. In short, I'm not sure yet what is causing the null drums in the first place.
I changed dbkits to see if the problem might be in the kit -- but no, the Carlpatrick warning kept coming up within the same dbsong on open or save, no matter what dbkit I used and how I swapped the sample mapping around. Should I send one of the affected dbkit files (off list) so you can play with it directly? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/
On 20 1 2005 at 4:08 am -0500, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
No, the Carlpatrick error message comes up everytime I open or save one of the files that was affected by a null drum event.
So it's not going away? Interesting.
I changed dbkits to see if the problem might be in the kit -- but no, the Carlpatrick warning kept coming up within the same dbsong on open or save, no matter what dbkit I used and how I swapped the sample mapping around. Should I send one of the affected dbkit files (off list) so you can play with it directly?
I presume you mean send me the dbsong (not dbkit) -- actually yeah, that could be instructive if you feel like it. Thanks! -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
At 3:10 PM +0000 1/19/05, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
I rushed straight off to try the new build during lunch :)
On 19-Jan-2005 00:59, Ben Kennedy wrote:
窶「 Temporary "Carlpatrick" diagnostic warning on nil drum event detection. This will raise an alert dialog in certain circumstances where empty drums are found in a pattern. Under normal operation this should never occur, so this is an effort to help track down why it does. Please report if you ever see this alert, and describe the circumstances that led up to it. (Named after Patrick and Carl who have both reported symptoms previously :)
I was wondering . . . ! Carl Patrick Freire -- ********** Carl Freire cfreire @ ix.netcom.com cfreire @ uclink4.berkeley.edu
On 20 1 2005 at 5:12 am -0500, Carl Freire wrote:
Carl Patrick Freire
Heh, bit of a coincidence there! Maybe by the time 2.0 ships we will have diagnostic errors named after all of the regular contributors to this list... :) -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
Hi, I am seriously excited about trying out the new beta(s) but since 1E5 I have been having sync problems with all my old dbsong's from 1C13. The beats will progressively fall out of sync as the song plays through. I am using the nskit and haven't really used any other dbkit, so I don't know if it's the kit's fault or what. I am just going to stick with 1C13 for a while I guess. Also, I am in 1E6 I am having problems getting the cursor to properly place a beat where I want it. If I click on the first beat of a measure, the beat appears 6 beats away in either direction. Kinda bizarre. Beside that I am still very stoked and only use Doggiebox for all my recordings now. :D Cheers and thanks, -jim On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:35:47 -0500, Ben Kennedy <ben@zygoat.ca> wrote:
On 20 1 2005 at 5:12 am -0500, Carl Freire wrote:
Carl Patrick Freire
Heh, bit of a coincidence there! Maybe by the time 2.0 ships we will have diagnostic errors named after all of the regular contributors to this list... :)
-ben
-- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
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On 21 1 2005 at 6:54 pm -0500, Jim Mack wrote:
I am seriously excited about trying out the new beta(s) but since 1E5 I have been having sync problems with all my old dbsong's from 1C13. The beats will progressively fall out of sync as the song plays through.
Hey Jim, This is the first I've heard of this. Have you checked to be sure that the master tempo slider is actually at 100%? If you double-click it, it will jump to exactly the middle. I suspect there may be some issues where the master tempo is set slightly off (e.g. 99.8%) but it is not properly reflected in the little slider. If this does not solve the problem, can you send me some test material (e.g. a dbsong) where this is manifest and tell me what to do to demonstrate it?
Also, I am in 1E6 I am having problems getting the cursor to properly place a beat where I want it. If I click on the first beat of a measure, the beat appears 6 beats away in either direction. Kinda bizarre.
Yeah, I'm on top of that for the next build, thanks. :) -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
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