Mike Thanks for that, it was just the sort of thing I was after I hear what you mean about the cymbal crashes - Pre DoggieBox days I used a horrible old drum machine. Getting a single bar set up took considerable effort and then keeping track of everything was a job in itself - adding extra fills were just too hard. Using DB makes it so easy to add the crashes etc - I guess I went over board - new toy sort of thing.... I also mixed the drums a lot further out front - it being a DB forum. I dropped the bass out of the mix, I couldn't get it to sound anywhere near good, just a muddy background blob. I need to spend more time on this. I notice what you mean about the vocals being buried. It seems to be a common error with home studio muso's. I notice that Ben's song Reach You has vocals buried a bit like mine - I'm thinking it's because we're not great vocalists (me worse than most) and we tend to drop them back a bit and also add a lot of reverb. We're in good company though, John Lennon would always do this as well, but usually had a George Martin or someone to amend the mix. Thanks again - I'm starting my next song this weekend.. Cheers Charlie On Thursday, November 27, 2003, at 05:59 AM, Mike Carlyle wrote:

Charlie-

This sounds like it could be a pretty good song.

The almost constant crash cymbals are a bit distracting. I don't know a drummer that actually plays like that. The snare fills are cool. Is there a bass in the mix? I can't really hear it. The organ buries the vocals a bit.

Please take this as constructive criticism. Keep trackin'.

On Wednesday, November 26, 2003, at 08:09 AM, Charlie Needle wrote:

...

I've just posted my first song created with DoggieBox

It's here http://members.iinet.net.au/~puffin/mp3.html if any one wants to have a listen - send any criticisms, I'm VERY thick skinned

Cheers

Charlie

PS Ben - Thanks for adding the hand claps to the new build - unfortunately, I already had this song half done when it arrived and as I was keen to keep my momentum going i didn't add the new kit. Next song I make will have hand claps galore.

Thanks again. It's so cool to be able to request something and actually have it happen...

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