I've drum-programmed some fairly intricate things over the past 10 or so years, but I still lack some musical or technical knowledge. Even though I can tap out a beat, or even play it on a drum kit, I rarely know what time signature (or combination of signatures) I'm playing, unless it's 3/4 or 4/4. This makes it challenging when I sit down with Doggiebox. I usually do a couple of false starts, changing the combination of tempo/time sig/note value. What's the most reliable way for me to figure out what time signature to start programming a beat with? Are there shareware apps that can help?
At 8:15 AM -0400 5/25/03, Mike Carlyle wrote:
This makes it challenging when I sit down with Doggiebox. I usually do a couple of false starts, changing the combination of tempo/time sig/note value.
What's the most reliable way for me to figure out what time signature to start programming a beat with?
<soapbox> Well, frankly I don't see the problem with worrying about false starts and such. It's part of the joy of learning, and I'm not at all being facetious when I say that. This is how we learn things, and the next time you work in whatever meter it is you're working you'll know. Better to struggle through with it and acquire the knowledge than look for a shortcut tool. </soapbox> Sermonizing aside, when I was tinkering with ProTools last week or whenever it was, I discovered that it does have an "identify beat" function. Record whatever it is you're working on, select the entire track, and then run the function. I tried it only once, but this was with the imported Doggiebox drum track and hence something that must be easy for any algorithm to figure out. Don't know how well it will work with someone playing an instrument (I imagine pretty well if you're playing repetitive patterns or at least really accenting the beats), but FWIW. Cheers, Carl -- ********** Carl Freire Oakland, California cfreire@ix.netcom.com cfreire@uclink4.berkeley.edu
Thanks Carl, The only real concern I have is time. I've been pulling a song out of my head today that ended up with an 8/8 measure that led into a trio of 6/8 measures. A few weeks ago, I worked on something that ended up being 10/8. While I certainly learned something from figuring that out, I just felt that it was time that took away from getting things down and recorded while they're still fresh. I need to know how to "set up the Dog" so to speak. That's why I'd like to know where I'm going before I just do that hunt and peck thing. I know what you mean though about shortcut tools. I was hoping that I could learn from one of those instead of trial and error with doggiebox. I did learn something today that I had always puzzled over. Doggiebox translates your tempo into your new time signature. Duh. It used to bug me that I didn't know what was going on there, but it was just trying to help me out ("it" being the software, of course). I did find a metronome that is interesting, but what I wish for may not exist. On Sunday, May 25, 2003, at 05:32 PM, Carl Freire wrote:
At 8:15 AM -0400 5/25/03, Mike Carlyle wrote:
This makes it challenging when I sit down with Doggiebox. I usually do a couple of false starts, changing the combination of tempo/time sig/note value.
What's the most reliable way for me to figure out what time signature to start programming a beat with?
<soapbox> Well, frankly I don't see the problem with worrying about false starts and such. It's part of the joy of learning, and I'm not at all being facetious when I say that. This is how we learn things, and the next time you work in whatever meter it is you're working you'll know. Better to struggle through with it and acquire the knowledge than look for a shortcut tool. </soapbox>
Sermonizing aside, when I was tinkering with ProTools last week or whenever it was, I discovered that it does have an "identify beat" function. Record whatever it is you're working on, select the entire track, and then run the function. I tried it only once, but this was with the imported Doggiebox drum track and hence something that must be easy for any algorithm to figure out. Don't know how well it will work with someone playing an instrument (I imagine pretty well if you're playing repetitive patterns or at least really accenting the beats), but FWIW.
Cheers, Carl --
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Carl Freire Oakland, California cfreire@ix.netcom.com cfreire@uclink4.berkeley.edu
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