I have another question for you. How important is the time signature functionality in Doggiebox? Does anyone use anything besides a 4-based meter (e.g. 6|8, 2|2, etc.)? Some discussions I've had on a few occasions have led me to start questioning the utility or wisdom in sticking with this western-music idiom. When I started out, I thought it would be clever and useful to give Doggiebox an awareness of real-world musical concepts (a little smarter than other drum machines). In practice however -- aside from identifying the number of beats in the bar -- the time signature does not serve much purpose in the Doggiebox UI other than pretty looks. In light of the geometry and editing issues I raised in the previous message, I'm wondering if it would be advisable to drop the distinction of time signature in favour of a more rudimentary "just how many beats in the bar". Feedback? -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
Hi, I'm a music studen myself, and I would find it anoying if not possible to create spesific time signatures, I have attached one of my songs (I'm kind of proud of it, if I may say, and don't know how to share it otherwise :) (don't know if its possible to attach to the list) anyhow, it shows that i use different timesignatures, I guess what I mean to say is that i love the timesignature "thing" (poor english vocabulary:) Håkon På 10. feb. 2005 kl. 21.33 skrev Ben Kennedy:
I have another question for you.
How important is the time signature functionality in Doggiebox? Does anyone use anything besides a 4-based meter (e.g. 6|8, 2|2, etc.)?
I love the time signature feature! I've been using Doggiebox as a learning tool/aid as I try to learn new parts. I've been transcribing some Rush tunes into DB so that I can play along with them at different tempos to learn them. Knowing that a song is in 7/8 has been beneficial as I have been a "feel" player for the past 20 years and would like to move into the realm of actually knowing what I'm playing. Not sure if this makes any sense or even answers your question, but it's my 2 cents none-the-less. Best Regards, Chris on 2/10/05 2:33 PM, Ben Kennedy at ben@zygoat.ca wrote:
I have another question for you.
How important is the time signature functionality in Doggiebox? Does anyone use anything besides a 4-based meter (e.g. 6|8, 2|2, etc.)?
Some discussions I've had on a few occasions have led me to start questioning the utility or wisdom in sticking with this western-music idiom. When I started out, I thought it would be clever and useful to give Doggiebox an awareness of real-world musical concepts (a little smarter than other drum machines). In practice however -- aside from identifying the number of beats in the bar -- the time signature does not serve much purpose in the Doggiebox UI other than pretty looks.
In light of the geometry and editing issues I raised in the previous message, I'm wondering if it would be advisable to drop the distinction of time signature in favour of a more rudimentary "just how many beats in the bar".
Feedback?
-ben
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I've used it too, for 3/4 and 7/8. I think if the feature were removed it would be a clumsy experience... if a user don't know what a time signature is yet, they are going to need to learn at some point. Quoting Ben Kennedy <ben@zygoat.ca>:
I have another question for you.
How important is the time signature functionality in Doggiebox? Does anyone use anything besides a 4-based meter (e.g. 6|8, 2|2, etc.)?
Some discussions I've had on a few occasions have led me to start questioning the utility or wisdom in sticking with this western-music idiom. When I started out, I thought it would be clever and useful to give Doggiebox an awareness of real-world musical concepts (a little smarter than other drum machines). In practice however -- aside from identifying the number of beats in the bar -- the time signature does not serve much purpose in the Doggiebox UI other than pretty looks.
In light of the geometry and editing issues I raised in the previous message, I'm wondering if it would be advisable to drop the distinction of time signature in favour of a more rudimentary "just how many beats in the bar".
Feedback?
-ben
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On 11/02/2005, at 7:33 AM, Ben Kennedy wrote:
In light of the geometry and editing issues I raised in the previous message, I'm wondering if it would be advisable to drop the distinction of time signature in favour of a more rudimentary "just how many beats in the bar".
So you're not suggesting enforcing a 4:4 based meter or anything, but rather relaxing the interface away from the traditional notation to a 'this bar's tempo is X bpm and there are Y beats in this bar.' Correct? If so then I would gladly see this go in to Doggiebox. Sometimes mixing time signatures up can be a little clumsy if you're mixing say 5:4 with 6:8 or something. I've only used Doggiebox briefly (alas, I need 30 hours in the day :)) but I had trouble trying to create a measure of 5:8 - can't remember why... the current interface didn't like it, I think. Toby.
On 11 2 2005 at 5:47 pm -0500, Toby Hutton wrote:
So you're not suggesting enforcing a 4:4 based meter or anything, but rather relaxing the interface away from the traditional notation to a 'this bar's tempo is X bpm and there are Y beats in this bar.' Correct?
Yes, precisely. I think you've made this more clear than I did in my post. I certainly didn't mean to imply that we should dumb it down to 4|4 only; rather, I was questioning the value added by the complexity of a traditional time signature (and its basis-note, e.g. quarter vs. eighth etc. on the bottom of the signature). What I'm wondering is that insofar as drum programming, does the user particularly care whether a bar is 6|8 for example? I am proposing that the only importance is that the bar have a particular number of beats, and that those beats occur at a particular tempo. Whether you choose to subdivide into 2 or 3 or 4 or 7 is not something that should be artificially enforced, since after all, you are free to zoom in and around to place drums at whatever intervals you choose anyway.
but I had trouble trying to create a measure of 5:8 - can't remember why... the current interface didn't like it, I think.
Someone else reported this earlier, although it posed no problem when I tried to recreate it. Hmm. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
I don't use the time signature as it's intended, at least I don¹t think so. I get my rhythms through trial and error, usually. The only problem I foresee is a marketing issue, really. Should Doggiebox be perceived as incapable of handling conventional time signatures? On 2/10/05 3:33 PM, "Ben Kennedy" <ben@zygoat.ca> wrote:
I have another question for you.
How important is the time signature functionality in Doggiebox? Does anyone use anything besides a 4-based meter (e.g. 6|8, 2|2, etc.)?
Some discussions I've had on a few occasions have led me to start questioning the utility or wisdom in sticking with this western-music idiom. When I started out, I thought it would be clever and useful to give Doggiebox an awareness of real-world musical concepts (a little smarter than other drum machines). In practice however -- aside from identifying the number of beats in the bar -- the time signature does not serve much purpose in the Doggiebox UI other than pretty looks.
In light of the geometry and editing issues I raised in the previous message, I'm wondering if it would be advisable to drop the distinction of time signature in favour of a more rudimentary "just how many beats in the bar".
Feedback?
-ben
On 10-Feb-2005 23:55, Mike wrote:
I don't use the time signature as it's intended, at least I don¹t think so. I get my rhythms through trial and error, usually. The only problem I foresee is a marketing issue, really. Should Doggiebox be perceived as incapable of handling conventional time signatures?
I guess I'm kind of here, too. I'm not very good at counting rhythms from time signature, but I have a working understanding of what they mean and they are a useful reference -- and pretty widespread! Best to leave them in. I mean, I've never found the idea of time signature getting in the way! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/
Surely, one can create, e.g.5/4 by sticking two four-beat bars together, putting five beats in and adjusting tempo? We're talking drums here and, apart from issues of sound decay, we're not too bothered about note length. However, if the capability is already in db (I've never used anything other than 4/4 or 12/8!), why not leave it in? Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Kennedy" <ben@zygoat.ca> To: "Doggiebox List" <doggiebox@lists.zygoat.ca> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:33 PM Subject: [Doggiebox] Relevance of time signature?
I have another question for you.
How important is the time signature functionality in Doggiebox? Does anyone use anything besides a 4-based meter (e.g. 6|8, 2|2, etc.)?
Some discussions I've had on a few occasions have led me to start questioning the utility or wisdom in sticking with this western-music idiom. When I started out, I thought it would be clever and useful to give Doggiebox an awareness of real-world musical concepts (a little smarter than other drum machines). In practice however -- aside from identifying the number of beats in the bar -- the time signature does not serve much purpose in the Doggiebox UI other than pretty looks.
In light of the geometry and editing issues I raised in the previous message, I'm wondering if it would be advisable to drop the distinction of time signature in favour of a more rudimentary "just how many beats in the bar".
Feedback?
-ben
-- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
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