Doggiebox List, Is there a way to view the entire list, to see if my question has already been discussed? I assume there is no way to export separate drums as audio (e.g. only the kick which I normally do not reverb), so I am planning to use MIDI export which will give me more flexibility in Pro Tools. I would have expected an audio file that is exported to line-up in Pro Tools with a MIDI file that is exported, but this is not the case. Anyone know why? Is there a way to change the velocity of a single drum hit in a pattern? Thanks, Doggiebox is just what I was looking for. -Paul
I think that the ability to export individual drum sounds as separate files has been discussed on the list. It may be on the development wish list, too. What I've done to achieve exactly what you're after is this (it's a little bit of work): Create the entire song Do a "save as" naming the file something like "dbsong_kick" Delete all but the kick sounds and save. This file is now ready for import into your DAW app. Do another "save as" from your original song. Name it something like "dbsong_everythingelse" This time delete ONLY the kick. Import this to another track on your DAW app. Now you can apply effects separately to these two tracks. Taken to the extreme, you could do this for every instrument in your song. As to the velocity thing... Try to download either the Ludwig Kit from David Holloway, or the nskit. These both have multiply velocity values for many instruments. On 2/18/05 7:48 PM, "Paul Schwotzer" <pwscos@mac.com> wrote:
Doggiebox List,
Is there a way to view the entire list, to see if my question has already been discussed?
I assume there is no way to export separate drums as audio (e.g. only the kick which I normally do not reverb), so I am planning to use MIDI export which will give me more flexibility in Pro Tools. I would have expected an audio file that is exported to line-up in Pro Tools with a MIDI file that is exported, but this is not the case. Anyone know why?
Is there a way to change the velocity of a single drum hit in a pattern?
Thanks, Doggiebox is just what I was looking for. -Paul
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I do something similar, but as I tend to build up from the kick track, I first export that as <songname>kick.aiff (to Logic, in my case), then add another instrument, save to <songname>db, delete the kick and export as <songname>whateverinstrument.aiff. And so on. The only real difference is Mike starts with his finished drum arrangement - I work up to mine, auditioning it in Logic, with whatever tracks I've already laid down, as I go. btw, is there an easy way to select a measure or measures now? Clicking seems to highlight a beat only. Adrian
On 20 2 2005 at 2:51 pm -0500, adrian.delso@btopenworld.com wrote:
btw, is there an easy way to select a measure or measures now? Clicking seems to highlight a beat only.
Yep, double-click. :) -b -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
On 18 2 2005 at 7:48 pm -0500, Paul Schwotzer wrote:
Is there a way to view the entire list, to see if my question has already been discussed?
Hi Paul, Welcome to Doggiebox and the list! Yes, you can view the archives here: <http://lists.zygoat.ca/pipermail/ doggiebox/> Although there is no built-in search function, you can try Googling with a "site:lists.zygoat.ca" qualifier in the search terms, which seems to work fairly well.
I assume there is no way to export separate drums as audio
That is correct. Mike's suggested work-around is about the best you can do right now. However, many people have requested this so rest assured it is on the todo list.
I would have expected an audio file that is exported to line-up in Pro Tools with a MIDI file that is exported, but this is not the case. Anyone know why?
Hmm. By how much do they vary? What is the nature of your song (e.g. tempo, time signature? are there any tempo changes within? etc.) The MIDI output that DB generates is not as rich as it could be, so it's possible that there are anomalies in this regard, particularly with different apps. If you can provide detail on what's actually happening, it may help to nail down. I haven't done a lot of MIDI output testing yet, admittedly.
Is there a way to change the velocity of a single drum hit in a pattern?
Not yet. This, too, is another oft-requested feature, which is coming. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
Hey Paul, I hope you enjoy Doggiebox... Great software, I find it to really be helping my creativity, and inspiration seeing as how it's sooo quick to put patterns together!. There are a shortcoming or two, but hey it's still totally worth it to 'workaround' those... If we could get velocity changes, that would be AWESOME! DB's still my fave sequencing software to date, I used to use a Roland XP50, but THAT's kinda limiting in comparison, and since i got DB it's been over in the corner collecting dust hahaha! Anyways, here's my latest Doggiebox creation, lemme know what you think, OK (As you can tell I'm a guitarist...And yes, DB has fallen into the wrong hands!) The Ludwig Kit Kicks ASS! Man, that's killer (Ghost notes Rock!), I just need to start putting a bit more time into my sequences, get 'em a bit more realistic, y'know? OK Rant over... *Crawls back to hole* http://www.guitarius.net/mylilvortex.mp3 On Saturday, February 19, 2005, at 12:53 PM, Ben Kennedy wrote:
On 18 2 2005 at 7:48 pm -0500, Paul Schwotzer wrote:
Is there a way to view the entire list, to see if my question has already been discussed?
Hi Paul,
Welcome to Doggiebox and the list!
Yes, you can view the archives here: <http://lists.zygoat.ca/pipermail/ doggiebox/> Although there is no built-in search function, you can try Googling with a "site:lists.zygoat.ca" qualifier in the search terms, which seems to work fairly well.
I assume there is no way to export separate drums as audio
That is correct. Mike's suggested work-around is about the best you can do right now. However, many people have requested this so rest assured it is on the todo list.
I would have expected an audio file that is exported to line-up in Pro Tools with a MIDI file that is exported, but this is not the case. Anyone know why?
Hmm. By how much do they vary? What is the nature of your song (e.g. tempo, time signature? are there any tempo changes within? etc.) The MIDI output that DB generates is not as rich as it could be, so it's possible that there are anomalies in this regard, particularly with different apps. If you can provide detail on what's actually happening, it may help to nail down. I haven't done a lot of MIDI output testing yet, admittedly.
Is there a way to change the velocity of a single drum hit in a pattern?
Not yet. This, too, is another oft-requested feature, which is coming.
-ben
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On 20-Feb-2005 03:40, Scott Kerr wrote:
If we could get velocity changes, that would be AWESOME! [...] The Ludwig Kit Kicks ASS! Man, that's killer (Ghost notes Rock!)
For _real_ velocity changes, you have to have actual samples of hits at different velocity, as in the Ludwig kit or an ns_kit (since something you hit softly actually sounds different, not just quieter, than something you hit hard). I think what Ben is hoping to implement is the ability to tweak volume on individual hits in the pattern editor -- which is not quite the same thing as actually controlling hit velocity, but will probably do a fair impression for a sample collection that doesn't contain hits of multiple velocities. At least, I _think_ that's what's up! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/
On 22 2 2005 at 4:04 am -0500, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
I think what Ben is hoping to implement is the ability to tweak volume on individual hits in the pattern editor -- which is not quite the same thing as actually controlling hit velocity, but will probably do a fair impression for a sample collection that doesn't contain hits of multiple velocities.
Exactly. Longer term, I hope to come up with some user interface to be able to integrate these two -- providing a means within the kit editor to specify alternate velocity samples for drums, so that in such cases, the velocity slider in the song editor would actually substitute the alternative samples automatically rather than just attenuate the volume level. Anyway, 1E8 (just posted) is a start, providing a long overdue rudimentary volume adjustment slider, culminating a couple years' worth of requests. :) Feedback on the UI is most welcome. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
On 22-Feb-2005 22:57, Ben Kennedy wrote:
Longer term, I hope to come up with some user interface to be able to integrate these two -- providing a means within the kit editor to specify alternate velocity samples for drums, so that in such cases, the velocity slider in the song editor would actually substitute the alternative samples automatically rather than just attenuate the volume level.
Heh, far out! Sort of like a work around for computer keyboards and mice not having velocity-senstive keys/buttons .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/
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