If someone has or knows of someone with a killer double bass drum kit and would be willing to make a doggiebox kit out of it, I'd be greatly appreciative. Basically I would like to see: Double bass Hi-hat 4 toms 1 floor tom 2 rides 2 crashes 1 Chinaman (is it still called that?) I waiting for my CD of drum samples to show up, but I'm not sure how the legality of that would work. Is it different than someone recording the sound their drum makes and giving it to you? Cheers, Christoph PS. Oh and if possible, throw in a cowbell for good measure :)
I'm not a lawyer ( and I don't even play one on TV) but I think the sharing of commercially available drum sounds is a no no for someone in Ben's position. That is, I wouldn't be posting these files on a website if I were he, and I'm sure he won't. My humble suggestion would be to not use this list for those types of communications, if anyone had a mind to. You've all got each others email addresses (wink wink). Sorry if I'm putting words in any mouths. As for the double bass concept, what is the difference between each bass drum in a kit like this? Couldn't a person program double bass patterns using any old Doggiebox kit? What would a the second drum in a "double bass" Doggiebox kit look like? On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 05:06 PM, Hermiteer wrote:
If someone has or knows of someone with a killer double bass drum kit and would be willing to make a doggiebox kit out of it, I'd be greatly appreciative. Basically I would like to see:
Double bass Hi-hat 4 toms 1 floor tom 2 rides 2 crashes 1 Chinaman (is it still called that?)
I waiting for my CD of drum samples to show up, but I'm not sure how the legality of that would work. Is it different than someone recording the sound their drum makes and giving it to you?
Cheers,
Christoph
PS. Oh and if possible, throw in a cowbell for good measure :)
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I'm not a lawyer ( and I don't even play one on TV) but I think the sharing of commercially available drum sounds is a no no for someone in Ben's position. That is, I wouldn't be posting these files on a website if I were he, and I'm sure he won't.
Commercially sampled drum sounds put into a doggiebox kit I suspect would be bad news. However, if someone just miked one of their drums, recorded it (and other bits) and put those into a doggiebox kit it is no problem. This is probably redundant because I'm that's exactly what Ben did for the sample kit we all get.
My humble suggestion would be to not use this list for those types of communications, if anyone had a mind to. You've all got each others email addresses (wink wink). Sorry if I'm putting words in any mouths.
I have only one email address, and I use it only for legimate purposes :)
As for the double bass concept, what is the difference between each bass drum in a kit like this? Couldn't a person program double bass patterns using any old Doggiebox kit? What would a the second drum in a "double bass" Doggiebox kit look like?
Nothing, that's what I get for not thinking my question through before clicking 'Send'. I specified double bass because 1) I like saying the phrase 'double bass' and 2) I think it helps clarify the sound I'm looking for. You are completely right that the single kick drum is sufficient for emulation double bass, unless someone wants to specify a stereo separation for the two. In which case you can use the same sample twice and just change the positioning. Cheers, Christoph
What I was sensing was an emerging desire to see more kits posted. Someone mentioned (I can't remember which post exactly) a CD that was arriving. Even though it's none of my biz, I just felt compelled to say that it might be a bad idea to start thinking about kits built from stuff like this. I have been building a kit based on sounds from my Boss DR-550, but I wouldn't expect that they would be suitable for posting (which is too bad, but a fact nonetheless). I'm aware that the posted kits are homemade jobs that have been contributed by kindly drummers with studio access and know-how. I like John Fazio's CD idea! I'll be spending a rainy east coast weekend inside doing some kind of studio work, that's for sure. On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 08:34 PM, Hermiteer wrote:
I'm not a lawyer ( and I don't even play one on TV) but I think the sharing of commercially available drum sounds is a no no for someone in Ben's position. That is, I wouldn't be posting these files on a website if I were he, and I'm sure he won't.
Commercially sampled drum sounds put into a doggiebox kit I suspect would be bad news. However, if someone just miked one of their drums, recorded it (and other bits) and put those into a doggiebox kit it is no problem. This is probably redundant because I'm that's exactly what Ben did for the sample kit we all get.
Glad you liked the CD idea, we should set up goals of when we can all get some tracks together this way its not one of those things that gets put on the back burner of our lives, say cut off would be Aug 1st Tentative titles Help Wanted:Looking for a drummer who can play these beats The Invisible Drummer Ben Kennedy and Friends - We Got Rhythm, without a drummer
On 23 5 2003 at 8:34 pm -0400, Hermiteer wrote:
Commercially sampled drum sounds put into a doggiebox kit I suspect would be bad news. However, if someone just miked one of their drums, recorded it (and other bits) and put those into a doggiebox kit it is no problem. This is probably redundant because I'm that's exactly what Ben did for the sample kit we all get.
Actually no, the Ben's Premier Kit my actual acoustic drum kit, mic'd last year with a stereo overhead and an SM58-copy on the kick, if I recall correctly. It consists of a Premier-brand 5-piece wood kit with usual Remo heads, etc: 14" steel-body snare 12", 13" (rack) and 16" (floor) toms 22" wood bass drum 14" mix'n'match hi hats 14" Zildjian dark thin crash 16" Sabian B8 crash 18" Sabian B8 ride/crash plus a couple of other toys like cowbell, tambourine etc which I haven't recorded recently. ...alright, I've dug through some files and found a bunch of jpeg's from about a year ago, during a time when I had a borrowed a friend's digital camera and was playing around with it. For sheer amusement, I'll share some of em :) Different angles of the kit: http://www.zygoat.ca/~ben/DSC00142.JPG http://www.zygoat.ca/~ben/DSC00143.JPG http://www.zygoat.ca/~ben/DSC00167.JPG http://www.zygoat.ca/~ben/DSC00168.JPG http://www.zygoat.ca/~ben/DSC00193.JPG http://www.zygoat.ca/~ben/DSC00194.JPG The Tascam mixing console I mentioned in an earlier message: http://www.zygoat.ca/~ben/DSC00139.JPG http://www.zygoat.ca/~ben/DSC00140.JPG http://www.zygoat.ca/~ben/DSC00141.JPG My Tascam 414 four-track from a funky angle: http://www.zygoat.ca/~ben/DSC00188.JPG My guitars leaning up against my trombone case: http://www.zygoat.ca/~ben/DSC00144.JPG Here's our favourite mascot in the "flesh": http://www.zygoat.ca/~ben/DSC00173.JPG http://www.zygoat.ca/~ben/DSC00174.JPG http://www.zygoat.ca/~ben/DSC00180.JPG http://www.zygoat.ca/~ben/DSC00181.JPG and the shot which was the basis for the current stylized logo: http://www.zygoat.ca/~ben/DSC00178.JPG :D -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
Oops, I just realised I mis-read what you wrote (Hermiteer) to mean the opposite of what you said. :)
However, if someone just miked one of their drums, recorded it (and other bits) and put those into a doggiebox kit it is no problem.
Of course, you are correct, that's what I did. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
First- Ben you are a genius to make a drum program so effective as the doggiebox-kudis to you!!! How does one go about assembling a good hip-hop or electronic kit???? We should all release a CD with our "doggiebox tracks"!!!
On 23 5 2003 at 8:41 pm -0400, John Fazio wrote:
Ben you are a genius to make a drum program so effective as the doggiebox-kudis to you!!!
Thanks =)
We should all release a CD with our "doggiebox tracks"!!!
Interesting idea; actually, I have been thinking that it might be cool to offer an option for users to buy Doggiebox on CD and have it shipped (rather than downloading). That would open up the opportunity of including lots of drum kits and whatnot (which could be impractical to download over a slow connection), and then also providing a bunch of completed demo songs -- produced using Doggiebox for the drums -- would be sweet too. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
On 23 5 2003 at 7:41 pm -0400, Mike Carlyle wrote:
I'm not a lawyer ( and I don't even play one on TV) but I think the sharing of commercially available drum sounds is a no no for someone in Ben's position. That is, I wouldn't be posting these files on a website if I were he, and I'm sure he won't.
My humble suggestion would be to not use this list for those types of communications, if anyone had a mind to. You've all got each others email addresses (wink wink). Sorry if I'm putting words in any mouths.
Well put, Mike. :D It will be interesting to see what kind of legal issues crop up over the coming months (if any). That's why I've put that little disclaimer text at the bottom of the library page. Basically, I want to facilitate sharing as much stuff as possible between everyone, but without sanctioning anything illegal. Ideally, I'd like to amass kits that people have recorded themsleves. If any commercial vendor wants to bless the redistribution of their drum module sounds, that would be a bonus. Now, on a tangent of interesting intellectual discussion: I imagine that verifying or proving the authenticity or origin of sounds could get very interesting, though. For example, what if someone were to play back a MIDI drum piece using some commercial drum module, through a particular combination of loudspeakers in some personally-designed room, and mic'd and recorded the result in a particular way? The resultant recording would discernibly be different from the original. But is that original enough to call an original recording? At this point I can't afford to hire a permanent legal counsel on staff, but I guess it would be cool if someday Doggiebox were popular enough (read: $$) to make that possible ;-) -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
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