My Mac has been playing up lately - kernel panics and the coloured beach-ball madly spinning - and every so often it resets to defaults. Today was the worst so far: I'd put Doggiebox as far to the left in Finder, as possible, right underneath Logic and Applications, in the sidebar. When I clicked on it today, I got the message - 'can't open from this alias. Can't find the application, Doggiebox'. I checked prefs and repaired permissions, but when I dragged the icon out of the sidebar, it vanished in a puff of smoke. The whole shooting match has gone. I've downloaded it again and put in my registration code, but I've lost all the kits I'd so painstakingly loaded and, of course, my song files. (I have the audio, where I've used it in Logic, but not as a DB song.) I can't download betas to the Mac - only to this machine(I'm mailing this from my PC), and the version I've just reinstalled isn't allowing me to Input any measures! Machine specs are: PowerMac DP G4 450mhz, 1.256Gb RAM, running Panther OSX.3. I was using beta IE7 of DB Anyone know how this might have happened, so I can prevent it happening again? And how I can get the reinstalled version to work properly?
Are you sure the application is actually gone? You describe dragging the item out of the sidebar and having it vanish in a puff of smoke. This is normal. It's just the alias or shortcut that's gone. The same thing happens when you drag something out of the dock. Browse in a finder window to your applications folder and see if the actual app is still present. The kernel panic thing is another story, though. On Apr 6, 2005, at 1:57 PM, Adrian Delso wrote:
My Mac has been playing up lately - kernel panics and the coloured beach-ball madly spinning - and every so often it resets to defaults.
Today was the worst so far: I'd put Doggiebox as far to the left in Finder, as possible, right underneath Logic and Applications, in the sidebar. When I clicked on it today, I got the message - 'can't open from this alias. Can't find the application, Doggiebox'.
I checked prefs and repaired permissions, but when I dragged the icon out of the sidebar, it vanished in a puff of smoke. The whole shooting match has gone.
I've downloaded it again and put in my registration code, but I've lost all the kits I'd so painstakingly loaded and, of course, my song files. (I have the audio, where I've used it in Logic, but not as a DB song.) I can't download betas to the Mac - only to this machine(I'm mailing this from my PC), and the version I've just reinstalled isn't allowing me to Input any measures!
Machine specs are: PowerMac DP G4 450mhz, 1.256Gb RAM, running Panther OSX.3. I was using beta IE7 of DB
Anyone know how this might have happened, so I can prevent it happening again? And how I can get the reinstalled version to work properly? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox>
____________ Mike Carlyle Wilbraham, MA USA
Absolutely sure. Nothing anywhere. I've reinstalled the newest build and it's not working. I cannot insert new measures, by any method. I'll install the latest beta today, but this could be a Mac problem. The kernel panics, spontaneous resets and the bloodt beachball are not good signs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Carlyle" <mcarlyle@charter.net> To: "Adrian Delso" <adrian.delso@btopenworld.com> Cc: <doggiebox@lists.zygoat.ca> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Doggiebox] Disaster!
Are you sure the application is actually gone? You describe dragging the item out of the sidebar and having it vanish in a puff of smoke. This is normal. It's just the alias or shortcut that's gone. The same thing happens when you drag something out of the dock.
Browse in a finder window to your applications folder and see if the actual app is still present.
The kernel panic thing is another story, though.
On Apr 6, 2005, at 1:57 PM, Adrian Delso wrote:
My Mac has been playing up lately - kernel panics and the coloured beach-ball madly spinning - and every so often it resets to defaults.
Today was the worst so far: I'd put Doggiebox as far to the left in Finder, as possible, right underneath Logic and Applications, in the sidebar. When I clicked on it today, I got the message - 'can't open from this alias. Can't find the application, Doggiebox'.
I checked prefs and repaired permissions, but when I dragged the icon out of the sidebar, it vanished in a puff of smoke. The whole shooting match has gone.
I've downloaded it again and put in my registration code, but I've lost all the kits I'd so painstakingly loaded and, of course, my song files. (I have the audio, where I've used it in Logic, but not as a DB song.) I can't download betas to the Mac - only to this machine(I'm mailing this from my PC), and the version I've just reinstalled isn't allowing me to Input any measures!
Machine specs are: PowerMac DP G4 450mhz, 1.256Gb RAM, running Panther OSX.3. I was using beta IE7 of DB
Anyone know how this might have happened, so I can prevent it happening again? And how I can get the reinstalled version to work properly? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox>
____________ Mike Carlyle Wilbraham, MA USA
On 07/04/2005, at 5:09 PM, Adrian Delso wrote:
The kernel panics, spontaneous resets and the bloodt beachball are not good signs.
You are not wrong. The bottom line is that these have all the symptoms of a failing disk. I'm not kidding, the syndrome is something I have seen before, as have others. Applications vanishing, random crashes, and the beachball. The first of these is directory structure corruption. The second swap space corruption, the last is page fault IO taking forever due to disk retries. Download the SMART disk monitor: http://homepage.mac.com/julianmayer It should tell you if it is. However I would be looking to get your valuable data off the disk ASAP. As the disk degrades it will get worse and worse. Slowly, and then more quickly more and more data will fall off, and eventually the kernel will not boot, then the disk will also fail to boot (i.e. on power up the disk's internal controller will be unable to locate config information on the disk) at which point the disk will fail to be visible to even a low level recovery program. Then your data is really gone. Try to avoid reboots and power cycles if you can, as eventually one of these will be the last the disk can support. Francis. Dr Francis Vaughan Phone: +61 8 8303 5592 School of Computer Science Fax: +61 8 8303 4366 University of Adelaide Mobile: 0414 726247 Adelaide 5005 (+61 414 726247) Australia CRICOS Provider Code 00123M This email message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information that may be confidential and/or copyright. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender by reply email and immediately delete this email. Use, disclosure or reproduction of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. No representation is made that this email or any attachments are free of viruses. Virus scanning is recommended and is the responsibility of the recipient.
On 07-Apr-2005 09:02, Francis Vaughan wrote:
On 07/04/2005, at 5:09 PM, Adrian Delso wrote:
The kernel panics, spontaneous resets and the bloodt beachball are not good signs.
You are not wrong. The bottom line is that these have all the symptoms of a failing disk.
That would be my guess. Applications and files don't just disappear by themselves, but dying hard drives can easily "disappear" them. I had a drive on my work machine go donw a month or so back that exhibited the "disappearing stuff" along with "random crashes" symptoms before it finally kicked it utterly.
However I would be looking to get your valuable data off the disk ASAP. As the disk degrades it will get worse and worse.
Definitely. I don't know if a 3rd party disc util like DiskWarrior would help stave off the inevitable or help find missing things, but it might. My old G3 laptop has a slightly cooked HD and in its last days of active service whilst I awaited the iBook, it would often "lose" whole directories (like the user Libraries!) until I recovered them with DiskWarrior. Mind you, I have heard a disk util like that could theoretically be the final straw that killed the disc right there and then, too. Your mileage may vary. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/
On 07/04/2005, at 5:42 PM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
Mind you, I have heard a disk util like that could theoretically be the final straw that killed the disc right there and then, too.
Yes. Something like DiskWarrior should never be used to try to repair damage on a failing disk. They are only useful for a damaged file system that is not sustaining more damage as it works. They tend to assume this. Once the disk itself starts to fail, trying to fix things usually simply makes things worse, and you lose more files faster. You can use some of these utilities to try to retrieve data - but never let them actually write to the disk. SOP would be to make a block for block copy of the disk onto another drive, and run a file syste repair utility on the copy. Never run it on known bad media. Just get the good data off NOW! Francis. Dr Francis Vaughan Phone: +61 8 8303 5592 School of Computer Science Fax: +61 8 8303 4366 University of Adelaide Mobile: 0414 726247 Adelaide 5005 (+61 414 726247) Australia CRICOS Provider Code 00123M This email message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information that may be confidential and/or copyright. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender by reply email and immediately delete this email. Use, disclosure or reproduction of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. No representation is made that this email or any attachments are free of viruses. Virus scanning is recommended and is the responsibility of the recipient.
Francis, Thanks for the info. I'm a Mac novice and no expert on any platform! I went into Disk Utility and Verify Disk/Disk Repair were both greyed out. I've copied all my essential data onto two CDs, but am now at a bit of a loss. If the drive is physically failing, will a repair shop suggest a repair or a replacement/upgrade? If so, I'll need to decide whether to go for a Mac Mini + extra RAM, instead. If it isn't a physical/mechanical issue, is it possible that there might be things that can be done in software/firmware? Julian Mayer's site seems to be out of action at the moment. Thanks. Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francis Vaughan" <francis@cs.adelaide.edu.au> To: "Adrian Delso" <adrian.delso@btopenworld.com> Cc: <doggiebox@lists.zygoat.ca> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [Doggiebox] Disaster!
On 07/04/2005, at 5:09 PM, Adrian Delso wrote:
The kernel panics, spontaneous resets and the bloodt beachball are not good signs.
You are not wrong. The bottom line is that these have all the symptoms of a failing disk. I'm not kidding, the syndrome is something I have seen before, as have others. Applications vanishing, random crashes, and the beachball. The first of these is directory structure corruption. The second swap space corruption, the last is page fault IO taking forever due to disk retries.
Download the SMART disk monitor: http://homepage.mac.com/julianmayer
It should tell you if it is.
However I would be looking to get your valuable data off the disk ASAP. As the disk degrades it will get worse and worse. Slowly, and then more quickly more and more data will fall off, and eventually the kernel will not boot, then the disk will also fail to boot (i.e. on power up the disk's internal controller will be unable to locate config information on the disk) at which point the disk will fail to be visible to even a low level recovery program. Then your data is really gone.
Try to avoid reboots and power cycles if you can, as eventually one of these will be the last the disk can support.
Francis.
Dr Francis Vaughan Phone: +61 8 8303 5592 School of Computer Science Fax: +61 8 8303 4366 University of Adelaide Mobile: 0414 726247 Adelaide 5005 (+61 414 726247) Australia CRICOS Provider Code 00123M
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