newbie question!! anyone have any experience/tips/tricks for loading doggiebox drum MIDI into reason's drum computer? it is fairly easy to load the MIDI file, and it seems like some of the drums even load up, but it seems to be doing strange things like muting drums where it would be triggering them and such. i love the doggiebox sequencing interface, but would like some more control over the final sound. -eric
On 26-Jan-2005 21:32, Eric Davila wrote:
anyone have any experience/tips/tricks for loading doggiebox drum MIDI into reason's drum computer? it is fairly easy to load the MIDI file, and it seems like some of the drums even load up, but it seems to be doing strange things like muting drums where it would be triggering them and such.
Actually, I've been running into an odd behavior of sounds muting when they should played just within in the regular DB interface (naught to do with loading MIDI into reason), though I don't know whether this is an odd memory problem brought on by my having spent a lot of time recently mucking about with a dbkit linked to the giant nskit7 samples or whether it's something else hiccupy in the recent beta releases. But sometimes I find that if I've got a few samples "stacked up" on a beat, DB will simply ignore some or all of them on play back -- and deleting a few of the samples doesn't necessarily cause the "missing" samples to come back. Sometimes in such a case, though, I can open a new dbsong and program the same pattern and it will play just fine from the new dbsong. Alternatively, DB sometimes crashes on playback. Odd! I can't help but think it's some kind of memory thing, but that's just my uninformed guessing. Cheers, Carl ps - A handy looking little book called _The Drummer's Bible_ just arrived from Amazon for me. It's kind of a "rhythm patterns for dummies" thing, and so quite handy for a non-drummer like me to use as a crash course on different types of grooves :) I plan to do myself up some dbsongs that are basically just collections of different patterns which can then be copied over to other dbsongs as needed. -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/
On 31/01/2005, at 7:06 PM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
ps - A handy looking little book called _The Drummer's Bible_ just arrived from Amazon for me. It's kind of a "rhythm patterns for dummies" thing, and so quite handy for a non-drummer like me to use as a crash course on different types of grooves :) I plan to do myself up some dbsongs that are basically just collections of different patterns which can then be copied over to other dbsongs as needed.
-- Carl Edlund Anderson
This looks good from the description. I DO need help in my drumming - I have tried to create a collection of patterns, but they all sound the same, some just have more splashes than the others D'oh I'm trying to get a Buddy Holly / Peggy Sue sound happening, but I always get back to a standard 4/4 beat ala The Rolling Stones. Even my pitiful attempts at a reggae end up having the standard (thump, whack, thump, whack) 4/4 rock sound Ah well.... That's why they made practice.
On 01-Feb-2005 12:37, Charlie wrote:
I'm trying to get a Buddy Holly / Peggy Sue sound happening, but I always get back to a standard 4/4 beat ala The Rolling Stones. Even my pitiful attempts at a reggae end up having the standard (thump, whack, thump, whack) 4/4 rock sound
Well, I meant to nip off during my lunch break and program up the Early Rock/Rockabilly and Reggae sections from the _Drummer's Bible_ as dbsongs to upload, but between odd cursor behaviour in the current beta of DB and the strange problem of DB crashing randomly on playback, I eventually gave up :P I can't decide whether to try holding out for Ben's next update or crawling back to an earlier beta :P Has anyone else encountered a crashing on playback bug in 1E6, and if so what kit were you using? Cheers, Carl ps - the book had a few entries for Afropop-type patterns that sounded (to my ears) totally cool :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/
The indefatigable Carl Edlund Anderson recommended "The Drummer's Bible", which I will certainly check out. The reason I'm writing this is I've noticed a few of you proposing to develop some stock patterns to speed things up. May I beg you to reconsider? These are fine for practice - basically drum loops - but if you write songs, then I would strongly recommend that you always write your drum parts, afresh every time. If you like to hang the melody and lyric together and fit your drums to that afterwards, then write to a metronome or click track. Otherwise, creating new rhythms can really ignite your song construction and phrasing. Also, you need to put the fills in at the appropriate moments and these should not always be in the same place in all your material! Should they? Hope I haven't misunderstood. Anyone agree/disagree/care to discuss? atb Adrian
On 02/02/2005, at 6:21 PM, adrian.delso@btopenworld.com wrote:
The indefatigable Carl Edlund Anderson recommended "The Drummer's Bible", which I will certainly check out.
The reason I'm writing this is I've noticed a few of you proposing to develop some stock patterns to speed things up.
May I beg you to reconsider?
These are fine for practice - basically drum loops - but if you write songs, then I would strongly recommend that you always write your drum parts, afresh every time. If you like to hang the melody and lyric together and fit your drums to that afterwards, then write to a metronome or click track. Otherwise, creating new rhythms can really ignite your song construction and phrasing. Also, you need to put the fills in at the appropriate moments and these should not always be in the same place in all your material! Should they?
Hope I haven't misunderstood. Anyone agree/disagree/care to discuss?
atb
Adrian
Agree with everything here - it's just that every time I try to write a pattern for a specific song, it ends up as a 4/4 rock beat D'oh. Hence the need for some sort of push start from a book etc. Like I mentioned, I have a song I've written and in my mind I hear a Buddy Holly / Peggy Sue style beat, but all I ever get is a Rolling Stones / Brown Sugar style. Then again it's the same with my guitar playing - I was given the heart and soul of an Eric Clapton, but the fingers of a Leslie McKeown (For the non fans, I'll save you a Google search - Bay City Rollers guitarist) Cheers Charlie For confirmation - my demos are at: http://members.iinet.net.au/~puffin/mp3.html
On 02-Feb-2005 11:51, Charlie wrote:
On 02/02/2005, at 6:21 PM, adrian.delso@btopenworld.com wrote:
if you write songs, then I would strongly recommend that you always write your drum parts, afresh every time. If you like to hang the melody and lyric together and fit your drums to that afterwards, then write to a metronome or click track. Otherwise, creating new rhythms can really ignite your song construction and phrasing. Also, you need to put the fills in at the appropriate moments and these should not always be in the same place in all your material! Should they?
Agree with everything here - it's just that every time I try to write a pattern for a specific song, it ends up as a 4/4 rock beat D'oh. Hence the need for some sort of push start from a book etc.
Indeed. My situation is very much that of a non-drummer, and I've learned a lot by sitting down with drum tabs and programming portions of them to get that "Oh, so that's why it sounds like that" kinda thing. So programming up patterns for different basic styles is quite educational for me. And when I'm composing, I have always found it works best for me to start with some basic pattern ideas (whether for drums or guitar or whatever) and then start twiddling them in different ways. Now that I've done a few demos using DB for drums, I find it a real time-saver to have the pattern libraries of those songs so I can use different ideas as starting points. (And since I have anything but unlimited time to spend on my music hobby, time-saving is extremely important!) It's nice not to have to re-enter a a dozen or so hi-hat hits across a basic 2-bar pattern when doing a new song (and after all, a lot of rock songs _do_ use similar keep-it-simple-stupid patterns). So, yes, I certainly wouldn't want to compose everything based on kit-assembly from a few dozen 1-bar loops, but for me anyway have a pattern library is a big practical help (and programming the library gives me ideas just by itself!).
Then again it's the same with my guitar playing - I was given the heart and soul of an Eric Clapton, but the fingers of a Leslie McKeown
Heh, I hear that :) I have all the finger dexterity and technique of a one-flippered walrus. But hey, it's only rock'n'roll (in my case :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/
I second that emotion. However, I completely understand the concept and desire for canned patterns. They can really speed up the process. All my stuff is composed with the same care I would give any other instrument. I like to make the drums sound as live and realistic as possible. I've considered putting time and effort into a website that focuses on drum programming. I've been afraid of it, since I hesitate to call myself an expert, not being a trained percussionist. I may do this anyway just for fun. Meanwhile, here's a happy little rock diversion that came out sounding pretty natural, despite it's barrelhouse pace. The fills don't repeat in any noticeable fashion, and the "feel" remains human even though it's rigidly controlled by my computer and DB. http://webpages.charter.net/mcarlyle/sounds/drumplay.mp3 adrian.delso@btopenworld.com wrote:
The indefatigable Carl Edlund Anderson recommended "The Drummer's Bible", which I will certainly check out.
The reason I'm writing this is I've noticed a few of you proposing to develop some stock patterns to speed things up.
May I beg you to reconsider?
These are fine for practice - basically drum loops - but if you write songs, then I would strongly recommend that you always write your drum parts, afresh every time. If you like to hang the melody and lyric together and fit your drums to that afterwards, then write to a metronome or click track. Otherwise, creating new rhythms can really ignite your song construction and phrasing. Also, you need to put the fills in at the appropriate moments and these should not always be in the same place in all your material! Should they?
Hope I haven't misunderstood. Anyone agree/disagree/care to discuss?
atb
Adrian
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On 03-Feb-2005 00:04, Michael Carlyle wrote:
I've considered putting time and effort into a website that focuses on drum programming. I've been afraid of it, since I hesitate to call myself an expert, not being a trained percussionist. I may do this anyway just for fun.
I like the idea of a "basics of drum programming" page or site, especially with a DB user focus. I've read a few handy articles out there on the web, though it's clear there's plenty for me to learn still! Many articles seem geared toward people using sampler triggers to tap out their percussion parts for MIDI, which is a bit different from the DB angle, while there are likewise plenty of articles on real, live drumming that often have useful info, but obviously contain lots about real, live drums that doesn't apply to programming! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/
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