New build 1G01 with multi-track export
Hey all, I'm pleased to finally post the first in what I hope to be an evolving series of testing/development builds over the coming while... and to start off, I have taken a preliminary tackle of a much-requested feature: multi-track export! Grab it at <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1G01.zip> There is a new menu command, "Export Multiple Tracks", whose function should be mostly self-explanatory: specify a filename of "Test.aiff" (for example) and Doggiebox will create files "Test 1.aiff" through "Test 5.aiff", each corresponding to a mix of only those instruments appearing in the corresponding grid line in the editor. This should help facilitate post-production and alleviate a lot of the tedium that people have had to deal with when trying to export drum tracks in pieces. I'm interested to hear about how this seems to work in practice, and whether more refined levels of control are necessary (e.g. for splitting up the mix). -ben -- Ben Kennedy (chief magician) zygoat creative technical services http://www.zygoat.ca
On May 28, 2009, at 7:34 PM, Ben Kennedy wrote:
I have taken a preliminary tackle of a much-requested feature: multi-track export!
Nice thanks! This worked well for me in a cursory attempt this morning.
I'm interested to hear about how this seems to work in practice, and whether more refined levels of control are necessary (e.g. for splitting up the mix).
Is there anyway to name the tracks other than sequentially on export? For example, take on the name of the instrument in a given lane? Test Kick.aiff, Test snare.aiff, etc.
On 29 May 2009, at 08:27, Corey Knafelz wrote:
Is there anyway to name the tracks other than sequentially on export? For example, take on the name of the instrument in a given lane? Test Kick.aiff, Test snare.aiff, etc.
I haven't had a chance to try this yet (maybe this weekend!) but I would agree that if it were possible to parse the instrument name and add it to the output file that that would probably be a handy addition to what promises to be an awesome feature. :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/
Corey Knafelz wrote at 6:27 AM (-0700) on 5/29/09:
Is there anyway to name the tracks other than sequentially on export? For example, take on the name of the instrument in a given lane? Test Kick.aiff, Test snare.aiff, etc.
Yeah, good idea; probably the way to do this is allow the user to name the grid components within the drum kit editor (since depending on the kit, they may not necessarily be kick, snare, etc). The kit editor has been due for an overhaul for a long time. -b -- Ben Kennedy (chief magician) zygoat creative technical services http://www.zygoat.ca
I'm gonna grab this tonight and give it a whirl. If it works, it will open up a few new doors for me! ---- Ben Kennedy <ben@zygoat.ca> wrote:
Hey all,
I'm pleased to finally post the first in what I hope to be an evolving series of testing/development builds over the coming while... and to start off, I have taken a preliminary tackle of a much-requested feature: multi-track export!
Grab it at <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1G01.zip>
There is a new menu command, "Export Multiple Tracks", whose function should be mostly self-explanatory: specify a filename of "Test.aiff" (for example) and Doggiebox will create files "Test 1.aiff" through "Test 5.aiff", each corresponding to a mix of only those instruments appearing in the corresponding grid line in the editor.
This should help facilitate post-production and alleviate a lot of the tedium that people have had to deal with when trying to export drum tracks in pieces.
I'm interested to hear about how this seems to work in practice, and whether more refined levels of control are necessary (e.g. for splitting up the mix).
-ben
-- Ben Kennedy (chief magician) zygoat creative technical services http://www.zygoat.ca
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Dang. I had such high hopes. On my aging G4, this won't run. I get a message during the export process warning me that I am going to replace some files even though I'm saving into an empty folder. 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0x94b35fff com.apple.QuickTime 7.5.5 (990.7) /System/ Library/Frameworks/QuickTime.framework/Versions/A/QuickTime 0x94c1c000 - 0x94c8dfff libstdc++.6.dylib /usr/lib/libstdc++.6.dylib 0x96cfc000 - 0x96d12fff libJapaneseConverter.dylib /System/Library/ CoreServices/Encodings/libJapaneseConverter.dylib 0x97183000 - 0x97226fff libcrypto.0.9.dylib /usr/lib/libcrypto. 0.9.dylib 0x972f9000 - 0x97338fff com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 1.5 (41) / System/Library/Frameworks/CoreMIDI.framework/Versions/A/CoreMIDI 0x97724000 - 0x97743fff com.apple.vecLib 3.2.2 (vecLib 3.2.2) /System/ Library/Frameworks/vecLib.framework/Versions/A/vecLib 0xc0000000 - 0xc000ffff com.unsanity.ape 2.0.2 /Library/Frameworks/ ApplicationEnhancer.framework/Versions/A/ApplicationEnhancer Model: PowerMac3,3, BootROM 4.1.8f5, 1 processors, PowerPC G4 (2.9), 400 MHz, 704 MB Graphics: ATI Radeon 8500, ATY,R200, AGP, 64 MB Memory Module: DIMM0/J21, 512 MB, SDRAM, PC100-222S Memory Module: DIMM2/J23, 64 MB, SDRAM, PC100-222S Memory Module: DIMM3/J24, 128 MB, SDRAM, PC133-333 Modem: Spring, UCJ, V.90, 6.0F, APPLE VERSION 0007, 7/31/2000 Network Service: Built-in Ethernet, Ethernet, en0 PCI Card: pci9004,7850, sppci_scsi_bus, SLOT-B Parallel ATA Device: ST340014A, 37.27 GB Parallel ATA Device: ST360021A, 55.9 GB USB Device: Hub in Apple Pro Keyboard, Alps Electric, Up to 12 Mb/ sec, 500 mA USB Device: Kensington USB/PS2 Orbit, Kensington, Up to 1.5 Mb/sec, 100 mA USB Device: M4848, Logitech, Up to 1.5 Mb/sec, 100 mA USB Device: Apple Pro Keyboard, Alps Electric, Up to 12 Mb/sec, 250 mA USB Device: Hub, Up to 12 Mb/sec, 500 mA USB Device: ImageMate CompactFlash USB, SanDisk Corporation, Up to 12 Mb/sec, 500 mA USB Device: USB Printer, EPSON, Up to 12 Mb/sec, 500 mA FireWire Device: > LaCie d2 DVD-RW Firewire, LaCie Group SA, Up to 400 Mb/sec On May 28, 2009, at 10:34 PM, Ben Kennedy wrote:
Hey all,
I'm pleased to finally post the first in what I hope to be an evolving series of testing/development builds over the coming while... and to start off, I have taken a preliminary tackle of a much-requested feature: multi-track export!
Grab it at <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1G01.zip>
There is a new menu command, "Export Multiple Tracks", whose function should be mostly self-explanatory: specify a filename of "Test.aiff" (for example) and Doggiebox will create files "Test 1.aiff" through "Test 5.aiff", each corresponding to a mix of only those instruments appearing in the corresponding grid line in the editor.
This should help facilitate post-production and alleviate a lot of the tedium that people have had to deal with when trying to export drum tracks in pieces.
I'm interested to hear about how this seems to work in practice, and whether more refined levels of control are necessary (e.g. for splitting up the mix).
-ben
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Michael Carlyle wrote at 8:49 PM (-0400) on 5/29/09:
On my aging G4, this won't run. I get a message during the export process warning me that I am going to replace some files even though I'm saving into an empty folder.
Hmm. I hadn't tested it yet under 10.4 (just 10.5), but in doing so now, I realize that I'm not even getting the save dialog -- Doggiebox just sits there as though I hadn't told it to export (and logs some errors to the console). I'll look at this more closely, thanks. -b -- Ben Kennedy (chief magician) zygoat creative technical services http://www.zygoat.ca
On 03 Jun 2009, at 19:12, Ben Kennedy wrote:
Michael Carlyle wrote at 8:49 PM (-0400) on 5/29/09:
On my aging G4, this won't run. I get a message during the export process warning me that I am going to replace some files even though I'm saving into an empty folder.
Hmm. I hadn't tested it yet under 10.4 (just 10.5), but in doing so now, I realize that I'm not even getting the save dialog -- Doggiebox just sits there as though I hadn't told it to export (and logs some errors to the console). I'll look at this more closely, thanks.
Is the issue Mike reported a 10.4 vs. 10.5 issue, or a PPC vs. Intel issue -- or both? Admittedly, though I haven't had a chance to give the new build a spin yet, it sounds like the fact I've still got 10.4, though on an Intel machine, may prevent it from working as-is anyway ..... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/
Yeah... I think I may have oversimplified my feedback. The non-Intel G4 was what I mentioned, but I never even thought of the OS version. I have a Powerbook running 10.5, but it's my employer's asset and I'm not able to install DB on it (even though I'd like to). ---- Carl Edlund Anderson <cea@carlaz.com> wrote:
On 03 Jun 2009, at 19:12, Ben Kennedy wrote:
Michael Carlyle wrote at 8:49 PM (-0400) on 5/29/09:
On my aging G4, this won't run. I get a message during the export process warning me that I am going to replace some files even though I'm saving into an empty folder.
Hmm. I hadn't tested it yet under 10.4 (just 10.5), but in doing so now, I realize that I'm not even getting the save dialog -- Doggiebox just sits there as though I hadn't told it to export (and logs some errors to the console). I'll look at this more closely, thanks.
Is the issue Mike reported a 10.4 vs. 10.5 issue, or a PPC vs. Intel issue -- or both? Admittedly, though I haven't had a chance to give the new build a spin yet, it sounds like the fact I've still got 10.4, though on an Intel machine, may prevent it from working as-is anyway .....
Cheers, Carl
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Carl Edlund Anderson wrote at 7:52 AM (-0500) on 6/4/09:
Is the issue Mike reported a 10.4 vs. 10.5 issue, or a PPC vs. Intel issue -- or both? Admittedly, though I haven't had a chance to give the new build a spin yet, it sounds like the fact I've still got 10.4, though on an Intel machine, may prevent it from working as-is anyway .....
It sounds like a 10.4 thing, as it works successfully for me under 10.5 on both PPC and Intel, though I had the failure under 10.4/PPC. These multiple architectures are really complicating things aren't they. I should set up an additional couple of systems here for more regular testing against the variants. If you find it works for you on 10.4/Intel though that would be interesting. b -- Ben Kennedy (chief magician) zygoat creative technical services http://www.zygoat.ca
Ben good to see you back - FWIW, I did a quick test on my G5 running 10.4.11 and it all worked fine except for the minor point that Mike got before his export This bit: "I get a message during the export process warning me that I am going to replace some files even though I'm saving into an empty folder." I clicked yes and the five files were exported as expected - when played as one in mono they match the usual export . Cheers Charlie (2nd try to e-mail this... apologies if it shows up twice) On 05/06/2009, at 4:40 AM, Ben Kennedy wrote:
Carl Edlund Anderson wrote at 7:52 AM (-0500) on 6/4/09:
Is the issue Mike reported a 10.4 vs. 10.5 issue, or a PPC vs. Intel issue -- or both? Admittedly, though I haven't had a chance to give the new build a spin yet, it sounds like the fact I've still got 10.4, though on an Intel machine, may prevent it from working as-is anyway .....
It sounds like a 10.4 thing, as it works successfully for me under 10.5 on both PPC and Intel, though I had the failure under 10.4/PPC.
These multiple architectures are really complicating things aren't they. I should set up an additional couple of systems here for more regular testing against the variants.
If you find it works for you on 10.4/Intel though that would be interesting.
b
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Charlie wrote at 9:48 PM (+0800) on 6/5/09:
This bit: "I get a message during the export process warning me that I am going to replace some files even though I'm saving into an empty folder."
Thanks, I've found that bug -- silly one -- was always putting up the dialog regardless of whether there were files. Still need to sort out why it's not consistently working under 10.4 however (for me or Mike at least). Interesting that it IS working for you... -b -- Ben Kennedy (chief magician) zygoat creative technical services http://www.zygoat.ca
Can I conduct a very rough poll as to which recording software most of you use, given that they pretty much all have integrated drum programs these days? I use Pro Tools LE 7.4 CS9 and Leopard. I have yet to try out Doggiebox with it. Adrian
I use Garageband on Tiger (10.4, so not the latest version of Garageband, but the latest version that runs on Tiger, anyway!) on an Intel Mac Mini. For drums, I either program stuff in Doggiebox or I sometimes use third-party drum loops (mostly either Beta Monkey or Drums on Demand); mostly I use drum loops when sketching things out and then later program a drum part in DB. :) Cheers, Carl On 04 Jun 2009, at 08:37, Adrian Delso , (by way of Ben Kennedy <ben@zygoat.ca>) wrote:
Can I conduct a very rough poll as to which recording software most of you use, given that they pretty much all have integrated drum programs these days?
I use Pro Tools LE 7.4 CS9 and Leopard. I have yet to try out Doggiebox with it.
-- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/
ProTools 7.3 - quite often use GarageBand as a sort of "sketch" tool - esp drum loops as a guide. I use DB for the final drums - although I've started to use DB as an adjunct to loops. DB is great when you have different tempo's etc during a song. Export the DB file as MIDI and import to ProTools, this sets up PT with the correct tempo markers. Charlie On 04/06/2009, at 9:37 PM, Adrian Delso , (by way of Ben Kennedy <ben@zygoat.ca>) wrote:
Can I conduct a very rough poll as to which recording software most of you use, given that they pretty much all have integrated drum programs these days?
I use Pro Tools LE 7.4 CS9 and Leopard. I have yet to try out Doggiebox with it.
Adrian
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On 05 Jun 2009, at 20:17, Charlie wrote:
DB is great when you have different tempo's etc during a song.
Great when you have different time-signatures, too. I've got a couple of songs that shift between 2/4, 3/4, and 4/4, but almost all the drum loops I might use for sketching out a track are 4/4, so in these cases I program it all in DB from the beginning. I sometimes chop up my initial DB tracks whilst sketching and treat the bits as loops, but then I typically go back and reprogram my dbsong file to match what I want. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/
Hi Adrian My hardware is: MacMini intel2 and Griffen imic Oxygen8 midi keyboard Tanglewood semi acoustic cheap strat cheap dynamic mic Software: OS 10.5.7 Doggiebox for drums (and mostly the Warren Street Kit) Garageband 08 for mostly everything else except Amadeus or Audacity for editing individual sound files eg removing hiss or amplifying the signal of a Garageband track. Cheers Sion www.sionsmusic.cinnamondesign.co.uk On 4 Jun 2009, at 14:37, Adrian Delso , (by way of Ben Kennedy <ben@zygoat.ca
) wrote:
Can I conduct a very rough poll as to which recording software most of you use, given that they pretty much all have integrated drum programs these days?
I use Pro Tools LE 7.4 CS9 and Leopard. I have yet to try out Doggiebox with it.
Adrian
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