Carl, thanks for taking the time to repost Mikes urls for Come Alive and the kit. I've downloaded both now had a good look at the pattern. I was wondering if you had a version of ns kit 7 with the drums mapped to midi? I seem to remember you doing a bit on the midi side of db some time back. Can you email it to me or post it up somewhere if you have please? Mike, I think this pattern is a good one to learn about db from - its got a lot of interesting techniques in it. I especially like the off beat snare - a nice variation which adds to the realism and interest in the pattern. also you haven't done the lazy thing, which I do all the time, and repeat the same pattern for verse 1 and 2 etc. I'd also forgotten how useful the icons were - as I was scratching my head over icon design and the Ludwig kit. Are these your ns icons Mike? The basic colour indicator work well to reinforce the different drum types and I also like the shape variarion on the ride bell. More head scratching required I think Sion Morris Liverpool www.cinnamondesign.co.uk/music/music.html -------------------------------------------
On 16-Mar-2005 09:40, Sion Morris wrote:
Carl, [...] I was wondering if you had a version of ns kit 7 with the drums mapped to midi? I seem to remember you doing a bit on the midi side of db some time back. Can you email it to me or post it up somewhere if you have please?
I've been working on this, but the current version of the dbkit: a) a doesn't have all the ns_kit7free samples linked yet, and b) has samples mapped to their General MIDI instrument (or something close!), but the MIDI mappings don't contain velocity info (all velocities are 127). Still, I've put a zipped version of the current version "as is" online: <http://www.carlaz.com/music/Carls_nskit7.dbkit.zip> This version also has links to some non-ns_kit7 oddities in it: the GarageBand cowbell samples ('cause I gotta have more cowbell!), the ns woodblock samples (I use them as beat keepers on count-ins and such), and a muted crash sample I made by editing one of the ns_kit7free crash samples in Audacity (though one could easily relink to another muted crash sample, like from ns_kit6 or whatever!). When I finish adding all the ns_kit7free samples and then twiddling the velocities appropriately, I'll post a fixed up version so that people can download the kit with the complete mappings and then blow away whatever they feel is excess to their own needs. Having *all* the ns_kit7free samples in the interface would probably be rather overkillish :) though having a good range of some things might be useful ... like the snares, so you can do long cresendos in a fairly realistic way. I wish there were half-open hats in ns_kit7free, but hey .... Maybe in the eventual pay-version of ns_kit7 (which, it is promised, will contain _shedloads_ of samples).
I'd also forgotten how useful the icons were - as I was scratching my head over icon design and the Ludwig kit. Are these your ns icons Mike?
An added note: My ns_kit icons imitate Mike's designs, though I've tried a few slightly different approaches here and there. I've also often grouped and named the dbkit drums in slightly different ways than in Mike's kit (so, actually, Mike's comealive.dbsong is much easier to view by opening it with Mike's ns_kit7 dbkit than with my version!). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/
On Mar 16, 2005, at 4:40 AM, Sion Morris wrote:
Mike, I think this pattern is a good one to learn about db from - its got a lot of interesting techniques in it. I especially like the off beat snare - a nice variation which adds to the realism and interest in the pattern. also you haven't done the lazy thing, which I do all the time, and repeat the same pattern for verse 1 and 2 etc.
The only thing that bugs me about drum programming is the time it takes me. Call it a love/hate relationship. I enjoy the blank canvas and the ultimate finished product, but getting there is not always as much fun as I'd like it to be. Sometimes I walk away from songs for a few days then finish the whole thing up in a blast of creative inspiration. So... you're right. The "lazy" thing is not an option for me. You might as well just download canned loops if you're going to be lazy.
I'd also forgotten how useful the icons were - as I was scratching my head over icon design and the Ludwig kit. Are these your ns icons Mike? The basic colour indicator work well to reinforce the different drum types and I also like the shape variarion on the ride bell. More head scratching required I think
Yes, those are my icons. They were created in Illustrator, saved out as PDF's, then dragged into DB. The numbers indicate the velocity level of the original nskit samples. This helped me keep track of which one's I wanted to use. ____________ Mike Carlyle Wilbraham, MA USA
Yes - its the time honoured problem - the instant playing gratification of a beat box versus the subtler listening pleasure of a well crafted drum track. The great thing about DB I find is after I get over the initial backbone of a piece, there's a lot of fun tweaking the drum and then re-importing it onto the track.
The only thing that bugs me about drum programming is the time it takes me. Call it a love/hate relationship. I enjoy the blank canvas and the ultimate finished product, but getting there is not always as much fun as I'd like it to be. Sometimes I walk away from songs for a few days then finish the whole thing up in a blast of creative inspiration. So... you're right. The "lazy" thing is not an option for me. You might as well just download canned loops if you're going to be lazy.
Sion Morris Liverpool www.cinnamondesign.co.uk/music/music.html -------------------------------------------
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