July 2003 - Doggiebox - lists.zygoat.ca

Re: [doggiebox] multiple kits in a song?
by Carl Edlund Anderson 17 Jul '03

17 Jul '03

On jueves, juli 17, 2003, at 17:14 Europe/London, Michael Carlyle wrote: > Will sounds from different kits mute each other out when played in the > same song? I can't remember. I would think that two snare hits from the same sample on different kits should either combine to produce an at least louder sound OR, with the inclusion of a "humanization" feature, they wouldn't occur at quite the same time and velocity, making it sound much like two different people had just tried to hit two identical snare drums at the same time (presumably giving you the sound of a slight chorus effect thanks to the slight discrepancy in timing and velocity). And hey: maybe your two kits have different snares :) > I would find that editing patterns containing 12 to 24 instruments > could be quite daunting. Granted, but if I'm trying to imitate the effect of 2 or 3 drummers/kits playing together, I thought it would be easier to do within one song file rather than assemble the different parts in different song files (after all, if my 2 or 3 drummers were real, they'd be able to hear each other when playing, so I want to hear them together when composing :) And keeping the "section" grouped into their own "kits" would help impose some measure of order. One could, say, "collapse" individual kits if one weren't working on them at the moment, so as not to be distracted. And perhaps working from the concept of various master patterns in ye olde pattern library (once assembled), one could actually rough out some multiple drummer/kit songs without _too_ much pain .... I find the grouping style of kit>instrument fairly handy, since it helps do things like remind me that a naturalistic effect shouldn't have a drummer with 3 hands :) and it does save on screen real estate (which will be pressured by adding additional kits anyway) but I've become enamored of the idea of having multiple virtual doggies pounding away on multiple virtual kits within a single song file :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:carl@carlaz.com http://www. carlaz.com/

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Percussion section
by Frank Rubino 17 Jul '03

17 Jul '03

> For I guess a few months now I've been musing over how to put together a > Doggiebox drum kit (or kits) to model a Latin-style percussion > section. I think this is a cool idea. I am not a drummer and so don't really find the five-category model that natural. In fact "A huge grid providing slots for dozens of instruments" would probably much more natural to me ;-) So I'm all for a more flexible model which could provide for this. My 2 cents Frank Rubino

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Re: song file
by Ben Kennedy 15 Jul '03

15 Jul '03

On 14 7 2003 at 6:21 pm -0400, James Babb wrote: >It would be cool if there was a way to exchange song files. Here's a >good one. Sweet, thanks James. I've posted it to the library page! -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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Re: [doggiebox] Macworld review
by Patrick O'Donoghue 11 Jul '03

11 Jul '03

Yeah, congratulations, Ben!! I think it's not only a remarkable program, but, your hands-on approach and willingness to listen to user's feedback is also pretty remarkable! Thanks! -Patrick >From: "Ben Kennedy" <ben(a)zygoat.ca> >To: "Doggiebox List(s)" <doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca> >Subject: Re: [doggiebox] Macworld review >Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:39:43 -0400 > >On 09 7 2003 at 5:28 pm -0400, mosshill wrote: > > >Congraduations to Ben for a good review in Macworld (August 2003) in > >Mac Gems. > >I just got my copy in the mail yesterday and was happily surprised to >find that too. Thanks! :) > >-ben > >-- >Ben Kennedy, chief magician >zygoat creative technical services >613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 >http://www.zygoat.ca > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - http://www.doggiebox.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: doggiebox-unsubscribe(a)lists.zygoat.ca > For additional commands, e-mail: doggiebox-help(a)lists.zygoat.ca > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Macworld review
by mosshill 10 Jul '03

10 Jul '03

Congraduations to Ben for a good review in Macworld (August 2003) in Mac Gems. Jack Moss

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Re: Tempo, etc.
by Ben Kennedy 03 Jul '03

03 Jul '03

On 30 6 2003 at 11:47 am -0400, Michael Carlyle wrote: >Feature suggestion: > >I played with Leaf Drums a little bit >(www.leafdigital.com) and noticed a neat export option. He >allows you to "export drums individually" for use in >multitracking software. This would be fantastic, since I >could then mix and pan each sound and gain much more >control. I haven't previously heard of Leaf Drums but I'll checkerout. Exporting distinct channels, and/or muting or soloing certain drums in the mix, will be relatively easy to implement and it's a great idea. Thanks for bringing that up! (BTW Mike, your first tempo message DID make it through but since it was mis-addressed, it ended up filed away in an obscure location in my mailer. :) -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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Tempo problem
by Mike Carlyle 03 Jul '03

03 Jul '03

To emphasize the importance of doing a "save as" backup of your work, and also to point out a potential bug, I offer the following tale: I'm currently doing some drum program for a guy in VA. I'm working from CD's he mailed me, and I'm using Doggiebox to fill in drums on audio tracks that came off the CD's . I'm using Cubase to put things together and check my programming. The song I'm working on is just over three minutes long, and I had about three or four hours into the programming. For no reason at all, I played with the "Master Tempo" slider. I set it back to 100% then did a save. When I exported a wav file to check the patterns in Cubase, I noticed an immediate problem with Tempo. I went back to DB, and saw that the slider still read 100%. There is no chance that I exported while the slider said anything other than 100%. I was able to open a backup song file, then copy the changed patterns from my (now bad) song file into it. Problem solved. I think there may be something wrong with the way the slider works. I'd advise "hands off" unless you know what you may end up with. Do a backup.

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Can the drawer be larger (longer)?
by Michael Carlyle 03 Jul '03

03 Jul '03

I don't remember this specifically being discussed before, so I'll throw it out here. I have a kit that forces scroll bars into play in the kit drawer window. Is it possible that this window could be made so that it could be dragged larger from top to bottom? Another thought... Could things be set up so that we had a choice of the drawer extending from either the side, as it does now, or the bottom, like Watson does it?

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