Doggiebox May 2006

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Universal binary for Intel Macs?
by Sage 02 May '07

02 May '07

It occurs to me that no one has said anything about support for the new Intel Macs. Is there a plan to compile Doggiebox as a universal binary? Has it been done already and nobody's said anything?

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Copying and Pasting
by David Weisinger 15 Jun '06

15 Jun '06

I often try to copy whole bars or several bars at a time from one section to another but some times, and not systematically, it doesn't allow the pasting because the application apparently can't find all the drums so it asks me to fix the mappings. The thing is, I'm talking about copying and pasting from within one project, and I'm using the one drum kit (which is a modified version of Ben's kit with an added sticks sound). Its generally pretty buggy whenever trying to copy and paste, but also there is a secondary issue of editing a section while it is playing. It certainly doesn't behave as expected with consistency. I'm surprised at the stability of this product given you have to pay for it. I'll leave it at that before I get real moody. I appreciate any feedback on this. David __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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The Return of MC's "Come Alive"
by Carl Edlund Anderson 04 Jun '06

04 Jun '06

Heh, Mike Carlyle's recorded-with-DoggieBox track "Come Alive" just cropped up on my workplace's office MP3 jukebox again. From across the room, it certainly sounded as convincingly pro as anything else on there (more than some :) and I didn't actually sit up remembering what it was until the last few bars :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea@carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/

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RE: [Doggiebox] Copying and Pasting
by David Weisinger 26 May '06

26 May '06

Yeah - breaking it down is an idea, but for creating alternate patters for a verse, its nice to just copy the whole section. Since there is no 'copy section' button, I manually do it - which is very tedious, and as mentioned, has its issues. Definitely would be nice to hear if DB is planning on extending the functionality in this scope ? DB ? Any answers ? Would be nice to hear from the software makers themselves in terms of the direction the product is going. David --- Mark Sheppard <stompeii(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi David > > I've had the same problem of Doggiebox getting a bit > glitchy when you try > and modify a bar in real time..it doesn't seem to > like it. > I also normally break a drum track into lots of > multiple sections....Pattern > 1...Pattern 2 etc , where each pattern consists of > up to 8 bars. That way > I'm not having to cut and paste large numbers of > bars. > > I guess it's a case of swings and roundabouts. I > guess the next version will > be more stable. > (I'm running it on a G3 iBook and I've just > installed it on my G4..though I > haven't tried it out on the G4 yet...) > > Regards > > Mark > > >From: David Weisinger <d_weising(a)yahoo.com> > >To: doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca > >Subject: [Doggiebox] Copying and Pasting > >Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 05:15:56 -0700 (PDT) > > > >I often try to copy whole bars or several bars at a > >time from one section to another but some times, > and > >not systematically, it doesn't allow the pasting > >because the application apparently can't find all > the > >drums so it asks me to fix the mappings. > > > >The thing is, I'm talking about copying and pasting > >from within one project, and I'm using the one drum > >kit (which is a modified version of Ben's kit with > an > >added sticks sound). Its generally pretty buggy > >whenever trying to copy and paste, but also there > is a > >secondary issue of editing a section while it is > >playing. > > > >It certainly doesn't behave as expected with > >consistency. I'm surprised at the stability of > this > >product given you have to pay for it. I'll leave it > at > >that before I get real moody. > > > >I appreciate any feedback on this. > > > >David > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - > <http://www.doggiebox.com> > > To unsubscribe, view archives or change > your options: > > > <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Drumkit From Hell dbkit
by Sage 08 May '06

08 May '06

Attached is a dbkit based on Toontrack's original Drumkit From Hell (not to be confused with DFH2 or DFH Superior). It requires that you have the DFH samples installed at the root of your system drive in a folder named "DFH - Wav". This kit links to the full velocity samples of the default rock kit. Midi mappings are included as well. It could be improved with a wider variety of cymbal graphics -- does anybody know of a good set of scalable icons that could be used here? Ben's graphics kit is the only one on the Doggiebox download page that scales well.

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Re: [Doggiebox] vst
by David Weisinger 08 May '06

08 May '06

It is a good question - how to reconcile this. One way would be something like: Doggiebox is a 'slave' VST or other 'plugin' or something like that. Audio interfacing software like cubase, pro logic etc have their own 'times'. The host application should have the 'master' time. So db would sit inside the host application as a slave (in terms of the time). When you press 'play' in cubase for example, your embedded db app starts as well. So they have to be synchronised and thats all that has to happen. Once you have created your drum section using db, just follow the same guidelines for other midi created sections : ie export drums to midi file, import back in as midi (into cubase) and play back using some other VST plugin that specializes in drum sounds. The final step would be to export that as wave files before finally importing back in again so you can better manipulate (for reverb/compression etc) . I'm sure there are other ways it could happen, but I'm just theorizing. What ya reckon about that ? And even if that is a good idea, whats the chance of the doggiebox dudes listening and saying, 'yeah - lets do that ' ?? Thanks for listening, David --- Sage <sage(a)gypsycaravan.com> wrote: > I understand this. But Doggiebox has its own > timeline and play > controls, completely independent of any external > hosts. I don't know > how you would reconcile the two -- for example, how > would time > signature and tempo changes in Doggiebox affect the > host, and > vice-versa? > > On 5/6/06, David Weisinger <d_weising(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > > I'll explain it so that you never have difficulty > > understanding it ever again! I am a songwriter. > That > > means for me, I write my song first, then worry > about > > drums. So, sure, a rewire would work too. As > long > > as I can interactively hear my vocal and guitar > and > > program the drums. > > > > It actually helps with composition too. You write > a > > song, you put some drums in and along the way > realise > > that an extra bar is needed here and there, so you > put > > the drums in, and re-record the song and keep > > repeating this until you are happy. From cubase, > I > > used to do this with fruity loops, but I'm on mac > now. > > Of course, doggiebox is its own app and thats > fine - > > it just makes it more powerful and maximises its > > useage. > > > > Thanks > > > > David > > > > --- Sage <sage(a)gypsycaravan.com> wrote: > > > > > Every now and again someone asks for this and it > > > always seems totally > > > backwards to me. Doggiebox's strength is not in > its > > > sound generation > > > but in its composition capabilities. If > anything, > > > Doggiebox should be > > > a VST or AU host, not a plugin. > > > > > > You can output to WAV or MIDI if you want to > import > > > your drum tracks > > > into Cubase. I do this with Logic and highly > > > recommend it. > > > > > > > > > On 5/5/06, David Weisinger <d_weising(a)yahoo.com> > > > wrote: > > > > hi there. any plans to make doggiebox a > plugin so > > > > that I could for example, open cubase and > press > > > play > > > > and make my drums as I hear my guitar playing > ? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - > > > <http://www.doggiebox.com> > > > > To unsubscribe, view archives or > change > > > your options: > > > > > > > > <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - > > > <http://www.doggiebox.com> > > > To unsubscribe, view archives or > change > > > your options: > > > > > > > <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [Doggiebox] vst
by David Weisinger 08 May '06

08 May '06

Thanks for the response. You are right - not matter what, programming the drums is a time consuming thing. I guess what I was after is the 'hear it as I go' possibility, because I've noticed that with a few of my songs, there are complexities that require me to go over and over and over what a 3 second section sounds like and what the drums should do. So the 'loop section' in cubase or logic comes in handy - and would be perfect if I had db and cubase/logic synchronised so I can hear the troublesome section and correct it. Obviously, there are other ways to do it, but I really think what I'm suggesting is the best (for myself atleast), and I'm sure others would find it useful, as it makes it interactive - and unless you are a drum player, us song writers generally need to hear what the song sounds like at a certain point so that appropriate drumming can be programmed in. Thanks again, David --- Michael Carlyle <mcarlyle(a)charter.net> wrote: --------------------------------- Here's what I usually do: I compose my song on my couch, far away from any computer. I work outwhat I think is a good arrangement. I sit down with Cubase and record a throw-away, scratch guitar track toa click track. Note that cubase has a tempo track that you can use toactually change tempos more than once within a song, and that the clicktrack follows this tempo track. If the song is complex, I make notes on paper to allow me to visuallyfollow the arrangement. Then, I'll sit down with Doggiebox to compose a killer, almost final,drum track. As I go, I export aiff and suck it into Cubase, but this isusually due to sheer curiosity. I'm usually dying to know how it willsound! Once complete, I export the song in it's entirety and place itin Cubase. So, David... the thing is this... whether the application functions asa plug in or a stand alone, the process is more or less the same.You've still got to program your drums tracks at some point. If youcould do them in Cubase (plug-in style), you would still go through,program -> audition -> decide if you like it -> revise asneeded. The only difference is that you'd save the export step if youDID decide your drums were final. If you're just looking for loops, then use canned loops. Garage bandhas lots built-in. I'm not a huge fan of GB, having used Cubase,though. Once your song is arranged, you can still sweeten up the canneddrums you composed to with a final DB track. Programming drums is a b**ch, no matter what. Doggiebox is probably theeasiest solution, as it now stands, among any beat sequencers I've everseen. The only way to make programming easier would be to trigger drumsvia midi with a full blown e-kit, but then you have to be able to playactual drums pretty well! Good luck with your solution! David Weisinger wrote: I'll explain it so that you never have difficultyunderstanding it ever again! I am a songwriter. Thatmeans for me, I write my song first, then worry aboutdrums. So, sure, a rewire would work too. As longas I can interactively hear my vocal and guitar andprogram the drums. It actually helps with composition too. You write asong, you put some drums in and along the way realisethat an extra bar is needed here and there, so you putthe drums in, and re-record the song and keeprepeating this until you are happy. From cubase, Iused to do this with fruity loops, but I'm on mac now. Of course, doggiebox is its own app and thats fine -it just makes it more powerful and maximises itsuseage.ThanksDavid--- Sage <sage(a)gypsycaravan.com> wrote: Every now and again someone asks for this and italways seems totallybackwards to me. Doggiebox's strength is not in itssound generationbut in its composition capabilities. If anything,Doggiebox should bea VST or AU host, not a plugin.You can output to WAV or MIDI if you want to importyour drum tracksinto Cubase. I do this with Logic and highlyrecommend it.On 5/5/06, David Weisinger <d_weising(a)yahoo.com>wrote: hi there. any plans to make doggiebox a plugin sothat I could for example, open cubase and press play and make my drums as I hear my guitar playing ?Thanks,David__________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Re: [Doggiebox] vst
by David Weisinger 08 May '06

08 May '06

Well, I'll have a look at this smpte, although I'm not really familiar with that (yet). In any case, thanks for the response. David --- Sage <sage(a)gypsycaravan.com> wrote: > Hm. So really, all you want is for Doggiebox to > start playing when > you hit the play button on your host. I'm not > certain, but you may be > able to do this with just a midi connection and the > IAC Driver > (basically just a software MIDI port) found in Audio > Midi Setup. > > Currently I have Doggiebox set up to output midi to > the IAC Driver, > which is automatically connected to Logic. This > lets me open Logic, > select an Instrument track, and load a sampler full > of drum samples. > Then I can work in Doggiebox and hear the drums in > Logic. What I have > noticed is that I have to turn off automatic smpte > reception in Logic > in order to keep Doggiebox from controlling Logic. > > What you want to do is go the other way. It's been > a while since I've > used Cubase SX, but I'll bet you can get smpte > output to the IAC > Driver. You can certainly have Doggiebox use the > IAC Driver as a midi > input. The question is whether you can connect > these so that when you > hit Play in Cubase, Doggiebox plays as well. > > So you may not even need VST or ReWire to do it. If > you're looking > for a higher level of integration, though, I would > bet that you'd have > a better chance getting ReWire support in Doggiebox, > since it is > already standalone and doesn't really fit the model > of a VST plugin. > > On 5/7/06, David Weisinger <d_weising(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > > It is a good question - how to reconcile this. > One > > way would be something like: > > > > Doggiebox is a 'slave' VST or other 'plugin' or > > something like that. Audio interfacing software > like > > cubase, pro logic etc have their own 'times'. > > > > The host application should have the 'master' > time. > > So db would sit inside the host application as a > slave > > (in terms of the time). When you press 'play' in > > cubase for example, your embedded db app starts as > > well. So they have to be synchronised and thats > all > > that has to happen. Once you have created your > drum > > section using db, just follow the same guidelines > for > > other midi created sections : ie export drums to > midi > > file, import back in as midi (into cubase) and > play > > back using some other VST plugin that specializes > in > > drum sounds. The final step would be to export > that > > as wave files before finally importing back in > again > > so you can better manipulate (for > reverb/compression > > etc) . I'm sure there are other ways it could > happen, > > but I'm just theorizing. > > > > What ya reckon about that ? And even if that is a > > good idea, whats the chance of the doggiebox dudes > > listening and saying, 'yeah - lets do that ' ?? > > > > Thanks for listening, > > > > David > > > > --- Sage <sage(a)gypsycaravan.com> wrote: > > > > > I understand this. But Doggiebox has its own > > > timeline and play > > > controls, completely independent of any external > > > hosts. I don't know > > > how you would reconcile the two -- for example, > how > > > would time > > > signature and tempo changes in Doggiebox affect > the > > > host, and > > > vice-versa? > > > > > > On 5/6/06, David Weisinger <d_weising(a)yahoo.com> > > > wrote: > > > > I'll explain it so that you never have > difficulty > > > > understanding it ever again! I am a > songwriter. > > > That > > > > means for me, I write my song first, then > worry > > > about > > > > drums. So, sure, a rewire would work too. > As > > > long > > > > as I can interactively hear my vocal and > guitar > > > and > > > > program the drums. > > > > > > > > It actually helps with composition too. You > write > > > a > > > > song, you put some drums in and along the way > > > realise > > > > that an extra bar is needed here and there, so > you > > > put > > > > the drums in, and re-record the song and keep > > > > repeating this until you are happy. From > cubase, > > > I > > > > used to do this with fruity loops, but I'm on > mac > > > now. > > > > Of course, doggiebox is its own app and thats > > > fine - > > > > it just makes it more powerful and maximises > its > > > > useage. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > --- Sage <sage(a)gypsycaravan.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Every now and again someone asks for this > and it > > > > > always seems totally > > > > > backwards to me. Doggiebox's strength is > not in > > > its > > > > > sound generation > > > > > but in its composition capabilities. If > > > anything, > > > > > Doggiebox should be > > > > > a VST or AU host, not a plugin. > > > > > > > > > > You can output to WAV or MIDI if you want to > > > import > > > > > your drum tracks > > > > > into Cubase. I do this with Logic and > highly > > > > > recommend it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/5/06, David Weisinger > <d_weising(a)yahoo.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > hi there. any plans to make doggiebox a > > > plugin so > > > > > > that I could for example, open cubase and > > > press > > > > > play > > > > > > and make my drums as I hear my guitar > playing > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Re: MIDI-style velocity settings for DB?
by Sterling Beckwith 07 May '06

07 May '06

This earlier suggestion strikes me as predictable, but not really all that practical. Rather than having to specify an exact value for each hit between 1 and 127--a lot of extra trouble that does little to produce a more lifelike percussion track--I would urge you all to consider the virtues of doing more with less. Have a look, for example, at the interesting French drumming program called Archibald, which substitutes PROBABILITY for MIDI's anally overdetermined numeric precision, and makes it easy to specify graphically a RANGE of possible velocities--also, a range of possible "locations" for each hit, and a range of likelihoods that the hit will actually occur! That already sounds a heck of a lot more like what most live drummers I've known actually do, especially in repeating or looping patterns, rather than insisting "this particular hit must always be exactly at velocity 73!" Indeed, I'd recommend everyone download the free demo of this program and play with it a little, before we faithful DB users try to push poor Ben any further into Just-Another-MIDI- Sequencer Land. -Sterling Beckwith

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vst
by David Weisinger 07 May '06

07 May '06

hi there. any plans to make doggiebox a plugin so that I could for example, open cubase and press play and make my drums as I hear my guitar playing ? Thanks, David __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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