Doggiebox November 2004

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Beta build 1E4 posted
by Ben Kennedy 02 Dec '04

02 Dec '04

Hey all, New 1E4 build today at <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox- 1E4.tbz> which replaces Monday's build. Most notably, a bug is fixed which caused a lockup or crash upon starting playback (thanks Dan Costello). For obscure reasons this never manifested during the course of normal debugging. Secondly, on track with creating finer control for editing operations, cursor-key navigation is now possible on a beat-by-beat basis within patterns. Keyboard combinations in the pattern editor have changed slightly but should be immediately intuitive: - left, right arrows will navigate on a visible beat subdivision basis. - option-left, option-right will navigate bar by bar (as did left/right in previous versions). - command-left, command-right will jump to start and end of line respectively. - up, down arrows will walk line by line. - option-up, option-down will walk a screenful at a time. - command-up, command-down will jump to start and end of song respectively (as did up/down in previous versions). It is not yet possible to place the cursor inside a bar using the mouse, nor is it possible to select individual beats yet, but that's coming next. And finally, you may have noticed Safari (or your downloader of choice) spewing a bunch of garbage text when you tried to download the last build... I have fixed that on the web server so the file should download normally now. Let me know if you have any problems. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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New beta posted - Doggie 1E3
by Ben Kennedy 19 Nov '04

19 Nov '04

Hey folks, New build of the Dog for your toyage! Over the past several weeks I have not only been bogged as usual with non-doggiebox work, but I've also re-tooled some of the internal model used for representing beats within bars. As a result there has been some change to the file format (see below) but this will soon give rise to some more useful features like inserting beats, joining bars, pasting things together, etc. A note on plans and version numbering... at the moment this bears a "1.3" label. It may or may not end up being called that in the end; it depends how things go. Many desirable features have been discussed on this list over the past months, and I am going to try to start exploring them in these builds over the next while. So, what's new since 1.2: • Zooming level can now be controlled on a per-bar basis, like in the 1D1 demo build (July). Zoom operations will apply to selected bars, or if none are selected, then all visible bars. Zoom is now also saved to disk. • Icon handling in the drum kit editor has been improved to facilitate operations in the image's native format (e.g. PDF, EPS, PICT), in addition to simple bitmap. (Previously, all images were converted to TIFF during an export, copy or drag'n'drop, which could result in loss of detail -- Carl, this should fix the issues you had described awhile ago.) • Changing the time signature now causes the bar to retain its structure; for example, given a 3|4 bar containing 3 quarter notes, changing to 4|4 will cause the notes to become triplets over 4 beats. • Visual consistency in the pattern editor has been improved (e.g. 12|8 bars now appear like 4|4 bars at the same zoom). • There is a new Preferences option "Create backward-compatible files". If enabled, song files saved with this and later versions will still be openable in Doggiebox 1.1-1.2 (though they will be about twice as large on disk). Otherwise, Doggiebox 1E2 or newer will be required. This is due to extensive re-implementation of the underlying beat/bar timing model that will give rise to more versatile editing operations in the coming builds. • Mac OS 10.3.2 (or later) is now required. -- I am interested to hear how this impacts everyone. My perception is that a minority are using 10.2 now, and dropping support for it will allow me to concentrate on taking advantage of the newest tech. In several months Tiger will be out and it seems 10.3 will reasonably become the "legacy" platform. Also, several memory leaks have been fixed. Grab at <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1E3.tbz>. Stuffit Expander (or your choice of bzip2/tar utilities) should extract it. Feedback rocks as usual. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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1E3 crashes...
by Sooz and Ken Boldt 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

The 1E3 beta build crashes 3-4 seconds after I click the play button or hit the space bar to start it. I downloaded the file, expanded it, and started db. Insert one measure. Add a drum sound or two. Click the Play button. The button face changes to the brown square. Then db just disappears. No 'unexpectedly quit' alert or anything. Happens every time. The 1.2 version works fine. I even tried saving a drum kit from the beta to see if that fixed the problem - no luck. Is anyone else having this problem? Thanks, Ken Computer: iMac 15" flat panel 768 mb memory OS 10.3.6

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Re: Vintage 70s Ludwig Kit vII
by Sion Morris 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

Thanks for listening Interesting. I thought the recording space must have been different as the kit sound had changed quite a bit. If its a question of mike distance perhaps you could do two versions, one with close mike and dead space for people who want to do their own post-production reverb on etc and another 'authentic' version like v2 which has loads of character but is less flexible. I'm pretty sure that it would be hard to recreate the complex reverb of the space with computer reverbs. Two versions like this might be better than one halfway between the two? Anyway looking forward to future developments. Sion > thanks for the feedback. your songs sound great! > > i agree with you about the bass drum and the hi-hat. i just put new > heads on my bass drum. it has a bit more of that punch you mention. > > the kit was recorded in the same space both times, but with very > different miking techniques. the room itself is very "live" and > reverberant. for version 1 i recorded with a couple sm-57s > close-miked, about 6 inches away, from each instrument. this cut out > a lot of the room's echo, but lacked a certain realism in the stereo > recording i thought. > > version 2 was recorded with a paired set of condenser mikes placed > overhead (about 8 feet) and behind (about 2 feet) the kit. it > captured a nice realism with the stereo but the terrible acoustics of > the space became much more apparent. > > it has been a great education in drum miking! > > if i can find a more "dead" space to record in i think i'll stick with > the stereo condenser mikes and try again. i really like the > transparency of those mikes, but they sure pick up everything (the > good and the bad). > > the quest for the perfect drum sounds continues... ;-) > > d.

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Vintage 70s Ludwig Kit vII (23+MB!)
by David Holloway 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

hi folks, i have finally found some time to assemble a version II of the ludwig kit. it is quite different from the first effort, and probably won't appeal to everyone, but feel free to download and play with it. the url is: the url is: http://www.slugworth.com/blog/70sLudwigKit_vII.zip it includes a test arrangement. cheers, david. the official word: ---- Vintage 70s Ludwig Kit vII (23+MB!) Here's my latest DoggieBox drum kit. It is based on my 70s era Ludwig (toms and bass), with Zil crash and ride, a nasty old trash, and New Beat hats. It is recorded to DAT using a Rode NT4 stereo mic. A bit of compression and normalization has been applied. Caution, compressed this is 12+MB, and uncompressed it is about 23+MB. This kit is a much heavier sound than the previous kit. It is not useful for everything, but edges a little closer to that big boomy Bonham sound. Enjoy!

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Re: [Doggiebox] Vintage 70s Ludwig Kit vII
by Sion Morris 14 Nov '04

14 Nov '04

Hi David Thanks - will look forward to that. I've posted some new songs on my site using both original and the new Ludwig Kit.: http://www.cinnamondesign.co.uk/music/music.html See what you think. I used the bass drum from the original kit on both though - sounded a bit fuller and punchier. I also changed the hi hat prefs so that the sounds didn't cancel the previous sound as it made a bit of an un-natural sound That aside, I think I prefer the sound of the new set although the first is slightly more flexible as the sounds are purer. There's a definite sense that they were recorded in different places - a bit of wall echo in vii. Trash cymbal is great and also the 'rim shot' snare. Keep up the good work! Sion On 2 Nov 2004, at 10:17 pm, David Holloway wrote: > > sure, i've got a couple tambourines. i'll see if i can get some good > recordings out of them. stay tuned... (pardon the pun). > > > > On Nov 1, 2004, at 3:27 AM, Sion Morris wrote: > >> Hi David >> >> Thanks for taking the time to improve on your Ludwig db - I've had a >> quick mess about and like the refinements a lot. I think you've hit >> on a good combination of drum sequences and subtle alternate sounds >> that really give it a that 'real drummer' sound. The ns-kit is good >> for a clean professional polished result, but lacks the 'human' >> quality your kit has I think. Suits my needs perfectly. >> >> Any chance of some tambourine shakes? I know you've got one there ;-) >> A left and a right shake would be good - to be able to keep in time >> with the beat. Thats the only improvement I can think of. >> >> Will be posting an effort using the kit soon. >> >> Cheers >> >> Sion Morris

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interactivity
by Dan Costello 12 Nov '04

12 Nov '04

> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:20:12 -0500 > From: Sterling Beckwith <beckwith(a)yorku.ca> > > I'm all for livening up the interactivity with Doggiebox, as suggested > in the last two posts. If each item on the current playlist were > clickable with the mouse to initiate its playback, wouldn't this have > the same effect, without the problems of choosing and changing multiple > key assignments, etc.? If the idea were to be able to change things on the fly WHILE trying to play a guitar or keyboard, reaching over and slapping a key would be easier than reaching over, grabbing the mouse, finding the pointer on the screen, mousing to the new section, and clicking on it. But for just building a groove "on the fly" without actually writing out the entire arrangement in the Playlist section, being able to click on the next section from the Section list might be handy.

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Re: [Doggiebox] Vintage 70s Ludwig Kit vII
by John Stewart 12 Nov '04

12 Nov '04

Sion; Just a note - great songs! Thanks for posting the link. John Stewart Ottawa, Canada. > > I've posted some new songs on my site using both > original and the new > Ludwig Kit.: > > http://www.cinnamondesign.co.uk/music/music.html

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Re: Doggiebox Digest, Vol 17, Issue 4
by Sterling Beckwith 11 Nov '04

11 Nov '04

I'm all for livening up the interactivity with Doggiebox, as suggested in the last two posts. If each item on the current playlist were clickable with the mouse to initiate its playback, wouldn't this have the same effect, without the problems of choosing and changing multiple key assignments, etc.? -Sterling Beckwith

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Re: Carl's wish list
by Dan Costello 10 Nov '04

10 Nov '04

> I was just wondering recently about assigning keyboard keys to > different > sections from the play list, so you could sort of build a play list > from > a stock of pre-defined Sections on the fly... A lot of more complex USB controllers (such as game pads) act as keyboards anyway-- you assign letters to the controller's buttons, and then assign tasks to the letters. So I would think assigning a button on a keyboard for this function would be no different... What is the Behringer 1010? A MIDI footboard? Dan Costello

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