Doggiebox June 2004

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Re: Doggiebox Digest, Vol 12, Issue 13
by Pesji 17 Jun '04

17 Jun '04

I didn't get any crashes since I'm using DB, what system do you have panther or ? Maybe you should just make a reparation of the authorisations that usually help a lot (in my case it fix some bug with ProTools) pesji --- doggiebox-request(a)lists.zygoat.ca a écrit : > Send Doggiebox mailing list submissions to > doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > doggiebox-request(a)lists.zygoat.ca > > You can reach the person managing the list at > doggiebox-owner(a)lists.zygoat.ca > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Doggiebox digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Crashing? (Corey Knafelz) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:21:19 -0700 > From: Corey Knafelz <corey(a)fuzzylogical.com> > Subject: [Doggiebox] Crashing? > To: Doggiebox List <doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca> > Message-ID: <C8574956-C015-11D8-9E64-00039307203C(a)fuzzylogical.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > All the doggiebox betas have been crashing on me. Is anyone else > experiencing this? Just cruising along, then infinite spinning beach > ball until force quit. I'm not experiencing this problem with any other > applications on my powerbook. > > *********************************** > http://www.fuzzylogical.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Doggiebox mailing list > Doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca > http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox > > > End of Doggiebox Digest, Vol 12, Issue 13 > ***************************************** > ===== Keep the Blues alive ! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FansofAniDiFranco/ http://membres.lycos.fr/jipes http://membres.lycos.fr/soulmaniacs Créez gratuitement votre Yahoo! Mail avec 100 Mo de stockage ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.benefits.yahoo.com/ Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis grâce à Yahoo! Messenger !Téléchargez Yahoo! Messenger sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com

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swing for Pesji et al
by Dan Costello 15 Jun '04

15 Jun '04

> > 1. talking about swing ( Pesji ) Pesji-- So far what I've done to mimic swing or shuffle beats is to use a normal 4/4 at the tempo for which the song is intended, and then expand the editing screen in DB so that it has either three or six (or twelve if I'm getting really silly with fills) boxes available in each beat. This allows for a very square (or triangular?) triplet feel to be used. Here's a pattern I put together to illustrate... I'm probably supposed to upload this to the site first, but I'm heading out the door and this is easier. ;-) If you don't have the latest Hemberger kit (or David's kit) I'd recommend it, as it has a good range of hits for each drum. But you can map this to very basic hits and still get the idea. I also don't have the latest build-- I'm still back on 1b6 but this should translate forward... right? Thanks Dan

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Re: swing song
by Pesji 13 Jun '04

13 Jun '04

Dan I follow your advice but still not really satisfied with the results anyway I attach the 4 bars let me know what you all think maybe one can improve it let me Know "Better play the Blues than to live it" pesji --- doggiebox-request(a)lists.zygoat.ca a écrit : > Send Doggiebox mailing list submissions to > doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > doggiebox-request(a)lists.zygoat.ca > > You can reach the person managing the list at > doggiebox-owner(a)lists.zygoat.ca > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Doggiebox digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Swing pattern from Dan ( Pesji ) > 2. Re: Re: Swing pattern from Dan (Carl Edlund Anderson) > 3. Re: Re: Swing pattern from Dan (Carl Edlund Anderson) > 4. Re: Re: Swing pattern from Dan (Carl Edlund Anderson) > 5. Re: Swing pattern (Michael Dolan) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 18:05:54 +0200 (CEST) > From: " Pesji " <pesji(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: [Doggiebox] Re: Swing pattern from Dan > To: doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca > Message-ID: <20040612160554.31195.qmail(a)web40007.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > > > 1. talking about swing ( Pesji ) > > > > Pesji-- > > > > So far what I've done to mimic swing or shuffle beats is to use a > > normal 4/4 at the tempo for which the song is intended, and then expand > > the editing screen in DB so that it has either three or six (or twelve > > if I'm getting really silly with fills) boxes available in each beat. > > This allows for a very square (or triangular?) triplet feel to be used. > > Here's a pattern I put together to illustrate... I'm probably supposed > > to upload this to the site first, but I'm heading out the door and this > > is easier. ;-) If you don't have the latest Hemberger kit (or David's > > kit) I'd recommend it, as it has a good range of hits for each drum. > > But you can map this to very basic hits and still get the idea. > > > >

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Re: Swing pattern
by Michael Dolan 12 Jun '04

12 Jun '04

I just sent Ben a couple things for the file library. it's a pretty solid swinging 12 bar blues pattern and demo song. Hope it helps someone.

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Re: Swing pattern from Dan
by Pesji 12 Jun '04

12 Jun '04

> > > > 1. talking about swing ( Pesji ) > > Pesji-- > > So far what I've done to mimic swing or shuffle beats is to use a > normal 4/4 at the tempo for which the song is intended, and then expand > the editing screen in DB so that it has either three or six (or twelve > if I'm getting really silly with fills) boxes available in each beat. > This allows for a very square (or triangular?) triplet feel to be used. > Here's a pattern I put together to illustrate... I'm probably supposed > to upload this to the site first, but I'm heading out the door and this > is easier. ;-) If you don't have the latest Hemberger kit (or David's > kit) I'd recommend it, as it has a good range of hits for each drum. > But you can map this to very basic hits and still get the idea. > >

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Re: What Costello said
by Sterling Beckwith 11 Jun '04

11 Jun '04

> These kinds of samples can be just put a 16th or 32nd or whichever > works > before the beat - it's quick to do and doesn't lock up, say, the entire > snare track. > That method might work better in DB if, say, one could expand the grid for a single measure selectively, without making the entire "score" so detailed that it becomes hard to read more than a brief span at a time. Maybe a compromise solution, in which just a few well-chosen positive or negative "percentages" were available as options for making attacks start a little behind or ahead of the beat, might be possible. Strokes so altered could perhaps be shown on the screen in a special color or shading. But what about rolls and other strokes that you sometimes want to persist after they are hit, and sometimes not? -Sterling

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What Costello said
by Sterling Beckwith 11 Jun '04

11 Jun '04

Glad to see others are calling for more handy ways of "stretching" the beat and "swinging" the rhythm. Those things would certainly help Doggiebox fulfill the dreams we all have for it. I've also wondered how DB could represent the kind of drum stroke that LASTS longer than just a hit--i.e. where the sound starts before the beat on which it "lands", or alternately, continues to sound well afterward. Rolls are, of course, an example that could belong to either category. iDrum can't be the only program that attempts to "humanize" computer-generated rhythms, so there must be other relevant examples. And maybe there are some notation tricks out there for dealing with those lingering strokes that could be adapted for use with Doggiebox. If so, perhaps it's time to consider adding such refinements to what is already a great program. -Sterling

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talking about swing
by Pesji 10 Jun '04

10 Jun '04

Hi all, I'm new to the list and a real newbie in drum programming, I'm on the way of setting up a home studio with an iMac and a Digidesign mBox running Pro Tools 6.4. I have a stupid question I try several programming on rock beats with Doggiebox and it works fine, my problem is to programm a blues shuffle what signature should I use ? I'm quite lost ;o) Any advice will be very much appreciated ! Pesji ===== Keep the Blues alive ! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FansofAniDiFranco/ http://membres.lycos.fr/jipes http://membres.lycos.fr/soulmaniacs Yahoo! Mail : votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.benefits.yahoo.com/ Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis grâce à Yahoo! Messenger !Téléchargez Yahoo! Messenger sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com

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iDrum's swing thing
by Dan Costello 10 Jun '04

10 Jun '04

Mike (and all)-- I just re-read this before sending, and it may sound a bit abrasive or unappreciative... On the contrary, if I didn't think DoggieBox was one of THE BEST pieces of music software the Mac has EVER seen, I wouldn't have bothered to write. Keep up the fantastic work-- DB is a dream come true for me and my musical endeavors. Now, on to my frustration... ;-) Concerning the swing setting for iDrum, it's most likely a "stretcher" of the off-beat eighth notes in a pattern, which is a very valuable feature. I've wanted to ask about this topic for a while now. The concept is: straight eighths (all 8 of 'em in a 4/4 measure, normally on a hi-hat in a rock or latin pattern) occur precisely on, and precisely half-way between, each beat. (ONE AND / TWO AND / THREE AND / FOUR AND) A heavy swing pattern would have the hi-hat or ride cymbal off-beat eighth notes (ex. the 2nd, 4th, 6th, and 8th ones in a 4/4 measure) feeling like triplet eighths. (ONE and A / TWO and A / THREE and A / FOUR and A) The total time of the overall measure, however, and the timing of the main beats, would be exactly the same as a rock or latin measure at the same tempo. If I want a more subtle swing, I would play those off-beats somewhere in between straight and tripletted. (Whoa, now I'm makin' up words. Gettin' fired up here.) So... Solution 1: if I have a "swing" setting like iDrum's, I could adjust the timing of the off-beats across the entire pattern (or, ideally, any section of the pattern I choose) with a simple change of a single setting. Solution 2: If I want to do this in DoggieBox... Do I stretch out the view of every measure so I can manually place each off-beat cymbal hit (or "swung" hit on whatever drum) a hemi-demi-semiquaver or two late? This will not only take an unreasonable amount of time and effort, but it will also make for an extremely messy DB-to-MIDI-to-sheet music conversion, with lots of flags and double-dotted notes... most written "swing" patterns display the 8th notes straight, and indicate the swing feel at the top or at each swung section. (light/med/heavy swing, up by the tempo) Or Solution 3: Do I record my own custom cymbal (or whatever drum) sound with half a triplet's worth of extra space in front of it, so when it triggers precisely on the beat, it doesn't actually make the sound until a half-triplet later? This would work for a "strictly swing" kit... But many jazz charts flip-flop back and forth between straight 8ths and swung 8ths... now I need a bigger kit to include both recorded sounds...? What if I don't want a full hard swing? Now I need ANOTHER recording of those sounds that are only SLIGHTLY late? Ugh... Anyone else working with swing patterns have a more practical solution to this? Thanks-- Dan Costello Re: excerpt from DBDigest Vol.12 issue 5 > > 3) There are some cool things present in the iDrum UI such as the > "swing" level selection. I'm not sure what this does, but it seems to > introduce a bit of timing randomness within the pattern itself, while > retaining the overall timing from pattern start to pattern end. (Huh? > Even I'm having trouble understanding my own sentence). >

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Somewhat off topic......24-bit shareware question
by Jim Walter 10 Jun '04

10 Jun '04

Hello, Would anyone happen to know of any shareware apps that allow you to import audio and save it as a 24-bit file? I currently use SoundStudio, but that limits you to 16-bit files..... Thanks, Jim+ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

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