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An update on my OSX re-install
by Mike 09 Feb '05

09 Feb '05

I had posted a cry for help to the list a couple of weeks ago for input on OSX partitioning. My Mac had been literally crawling along and it was extremely frustrating. I'm happy to say that a clean Panther re-install, following an erasing of all partitions and making one big one, has done the job. Thankfully, I save all my emails and was able to locate my DB registration code!

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Re: Doggiebox Digest, Vol 20, Issue 5
by Dan Costello 08 Feb '05

08 Feb '05

> FWIW, I should point out that you can assign the same shortcut to > multiple instruments; hitting the key repeatedly should cycle through > all > of them. Wow. VERY cool depending on how you want to set up and use the shortcuts. Hadn't realized this. Thanks Ben! Cheers DC

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Re: [Doggiebox] MIDI Interaction with Roland SPD-S
by Sooz and Ken Boldt 05 Feb '05

05 Feb '05

Chris, Can the Roland send MIDI Start and Stop messages (along with MIDI clock, which I assume it can)? Recent beta versions of DB can be started by a MIDI Start message, stopped by a MIDI Stop message, and it will set it's tempo in response to MIDI clock messages. Note that these are MIDI Real Time messages and not MIDI time code (MTC). I have both a foot pedal and an external sound module (Solton MS40) that send start, clock, and stop messages, and DB responds to either unit. They're both connected to the Mac thru an M-Audio MIDISport 2x2 MIDI interface. BTW, the foot pedal, a Ploytec 34One, makes it easy to use DB to provide drum accompaniment for live performance - tap the pedal a couple times to set the tempo and then start playing on the next tap, when DB starts. You can even use the pedal to adjust the tempo while playing. Hope this helps. Ken Boldt > > On 28-Jan-2005 18:09, Chris Wicklas wrote: > >> I have read through past posts and haven¹t been able to find an answer to my > >> question. I¹m curious to know if there is a way for me have a Roland SPD-S > >> control the start/stop of patterns in DB. I am just a beginner when it comes > >> to MIDI, so forgive me if this is a simple question. > >> [...] > >> The Roland is currently connected to a 1ghz Titanium Powerbook via a USB to > >> MIDI controller. I can succussfully use the Roland to record drum parts in > >> GarageBand, so I know the connection works. I haven¹t tried it in DB yet.

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A glitch in IE5?
by adrian.delso＠btopenworld.com 05 Feb '05

05 Feb '05

Hokay, this is what happens: I've got a new (unsaved) Song open; I click on the "Drum Kit" button, (for reasons I can't quite recall - I think to assign keyboard shortcuts); the Finder window with all the kits opens and ...that's all she wrote. Almost all the dropdowns are greyed out; clicking on my original Song to make it the active window again just gives a warning tone, and in the end I have no option but to Force Quit, in today's instance, losing a complete Song structure of 100+ bars for a collaboration, I'm long overdue on. Am I doing something I should have spotted in the Help manual? If so, can someone please give me the page number! Thanks, atb Angry Adrian!

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Re: Doggiebox Digest, Vol 20, Issue 4
by Dan Costello 05 Feb '05

05 Feb '05

> > Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:51:12 +0100 > From: " H?kon Pettersen " <haakon.pettersen(a)tiscali.no> > Subject: [Doggiebox] 70s ludwig kit and key assignment. > Why can't I assign key shortcuts to the Ludwig kit? > I was trying to do that right now, and all went well until i tried to > save it. > A message box pops down that says "Couldn't save document." > So I can't assign keys in that kit? > haven't tried doing it with any other kit yet. I actually experienced that as well, from many kits, using the 1e4 build of DB. I was able to get around this by saving it as a different name (other than the original kit name-- I just added KB to the end). It let me save it after that, although I'm not sure exactly why. Ben? Help? Then I was puzzled when I went right into a song and they didn't work... but again, there's a trick. If you quit completely out of DB, then start up again, it should work. I think DB has to reload the kit to recognize the changes you've made, or something like that. Not sure. Ben?! Help?!? Another thing I've noticed with DB KB SCs. (ugh...) You sometimes can't use shortcuts to get directly from one drum type (ex. ride cymbal) to a VARIANT of that drum type (ex. bell ride). So, "ride" is (6) on the keypad, and "bell ride" is (7). I hit (6) to select "ride," but then if I hit 7 right after that, nothing happens-- DB won't let me select "bell ride" with a keyboard shortcut. However, I CAN select a different drum type (ex. bass drum) and then go BACK to a variant. (Or you can go into the drum kit and change the "type" name to something unique so DB doesn't see it as a variant anymore, but that sucks.) So, I have "ride" (6) selected. If I hit "bass drum" (0) it will switch to it, and THEN if I change to "bell ride" (7) it will let me switch to that. BEN?!?!? HEEELLLLP?!?!?!?!? > > Thanks! Håkon Pettersen, Norway Welcome to the group, Håkon! Cheers, DC

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70s ludwig kit and key assignment.
by Håkon Pettersen 05 Feb '05

05 Feb '05

Hello, this is my first entry to the list, hope I'm doing it correctly. I have a couple of questions. First one, why can't I assign key shortcuts to the Ludwig kit? I was trying to do that right now, and all went well until i tried to save it. A message box pops down that says "Couldn't save document." So I can't assign keys in that kit? haven't tried doing it with any other kit yet. Second, Is it possible to get hold of the icons of the ns_kit? If i am to make my own version, it would be a lot easier if I had the icons. Thanks! Håkon Pettersen, Norway

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"D'oh! 4/4 rock beat again!?!" syndrome
by Dan Costello 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

>> On 02/02/2005, at 6:21 PM, adrian.delso(a)btopenworld.com wrote: >>> if you write songs, >>> then I would strongly recommend that you always write your drum >>> parts, >>> afresh every time. Strongly agree. Especially if you want the song to have its own groove... and a big part of the defining characteristics of a groove is how well the bass and other instruments interact with a drum track. My feeling is that if the drum track is a stock beat, the whole song will either fit it and sound stock as well (which is OK if you WANT that... but don't settle for it if that's NOT what you want), or fight against it (in a bad way) and be mushy. I understand the speed concerns, though... something else upon which I'd like to comment later. And yes, I agree with Carl that programming published drum TABs can be educational... as long as it's used for good, not for evil. Learn from them, then build your own that fit your songs even better. Three suggestions to get away from the typical 4/4 rock beat: 1. Switch a snare drum hit with a bass drum hit in the same place (or two) all the way through the pattern, or just leave one out. (ex. instead of "bass- snare- bass- snare" each measure, try "bass- bass- bass- snare" or "bass- snare- snare- bass" or "bass- .....- bass- snare" etc.) 2. Write lines two bars at a time. So instead of each measure being basically the same... "bass- snare- bass- snare" think in terms of a longer pattern to be repeated: "bass- snare- bass- bass snare- bass- bass- snare" 3. Expand each measure within DB (creating more subdivisions of each beat), and put the bass drum ANYWHERE but beat THREE. "B / / / S / / B / B B / S / B /" "1 / / / 2 / / / 3 / / / 4 / / /" Hope this helps. DC

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doggiebox -> reason
by Eric Davila 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

newbie question!! anyone have any experience/tips/tricks for loading doggiebox drum MIDI into reason's drum computer? it is fairly easy to load the MIDI file, and it seems like some of the drums even load up, but it seems to be doing strange things like muting drums where it would be triggering them and such. i love the doggiebox sequencing interface, but would like some more control over the final sound. -eric

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Speed of input?
by Dan Costello 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

On Feb 2, 2005, at 10:00 AM, Carl wrote: > (And since I have anything but unlimited time to > spend on my music hobby, time-saving is extremely important!) A couple pre-saved templates can save startup time-- sort of like blank manuscript paper or TAB sheets. Save a 4/4 template (and a 3/4 and a 6/8 and a 5/4 or whatever else you commonly use) with four blank bars, fully expanded out so you don't have to go through these steps each time you start a new song. Most music notation programs have keyboard shortcuts (of widely varying effectiveness) and I grew very comfortable/dependent on this in college. I've found that taking the time to set up an ergonomically "realistic" keyboard shortcut pattern for my DBkits saves a LOT of time on input (much less mousing around), and I can build a pattern (or at least the framework, without a lot of special hits or odd drums) almost as fast as I can type anymore. I use the numeric keypad* for most setups: 0 as the bass drum (with . as a variant, like a feathered bass hit), 5 as the snare (and 2 often as a regular snare variant, like cross-stick or rimshot), 4 and 1 as open and closed hi-hat (sometimes 7 in there as well if I use a sizzle hat a lot in a pattern), 6 as ride, 3, + and - as toms, 7,8,9 as cymbals, and =, /, * as anything else regularly grab (like cowbell, wood blocks, stick clicks, etc.). You don't HAVE to assign a key to every drum... but... If you use a much more complex kit, I think the KB shortcuts can be set up for separate small and CAPS letters, although I've never tried it. That way you could just hold shift to switch to a variant. *Most of you that use your right hand for the mouse will probably find it easier to build your kit on the left side of the keyboard instead... I like having the snare on a key with a "nub" on it as a tactile reference, so that'd mean building around F or D depending on the style of keyboard you have. Just hit the shortcut key, click where you want it, then hit the shortcut key for the other drum, click where you want it, etc. Very economical mouse movement involved. Also, this lets me use my keyboard as a basic drum pad, because when you hit the shortcut key it plays that drum's sound... especially useful when trying to play along or transcribe a beat from a recording. "Oh, that's 55 33 ++ -- 0 5 "... (name that fill!) Again, I hope this is helpful to y'all. DC

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Re: [Doggiebox] The Drummer's Bible
by Carl Edlund Anderson 02 Feb '05

02 Feb '05

On 02-Feb-2005 10:13, adrian.delso(a)btopenworld.com wrote: > Apart from the cursor oddity in IE6 (I've gone back to IE5), I get > occasional problems switching between songs, when it goes to the Doggiebox > Finder screen and basically refuses to do anything - most of the dropdown > options are greyed out - and Force Quit is the only option...but no playback > problems, touch wood. Huh, haven't run into that one! Apart from the widely reported cursor funkiness (and the Carlpatrick error!) I only get the strange "muted hits" behavior and the crash on playback problem. > But, hey! It's still the best drum application I've ever used - no question. Amen! It's been the major factor in finally getting up off my butt and composing and recording :) > David's Ludwig kit is fantastic - you can put all the dynamics into your > Song, just by selecting Accent, Default, etc. - and then export it to > whatever recorder you use as a balanced, panned sub-mix; end of story! I've been using th nskit6 and 7 samples a lot, but recently I've also been playing with David's Ludwig kit too recently. It's good fun trying the same basic dbsong with different kits to see how they sound. Good stuff! > The only thing I've discovered I need to watch is clipping - if I've got > too many instruments all falling on the same division. Either thin 'em out > or reduce the Master Volume - you can always boost it at mixdown time. Yeah, I record most of my drums "live" out of DB, so I first turn off MIDI and play the drums from DB to set the levels on my deck. Then I turn MIDI back on, and do a recording pass :) The different kits can have quite different levels, but thanks to the MIDI syncing (which pretty much works for me) I can eventually record virtual tracks with different kits from the same basic dbsong and then check playback to see how different kits sound with the recorded guitar and bass and stuff. Cool. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/

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Re: [Doggiebox] doggiebox -> reason
by Scott Kerr 02 Feb '05

02 Feb '05

Here's the file with all of the 1/4, 1/8 and 16th note, as well as some 32nd note permutations of the Carmine Appice book "Realistic Rock'. Great practice tool for those into drums, I find it cool to loop the sections and jam along until I'm tired. I apologize in advance for not really labelling/categorizing the riffs that well. Hopefully this helps, guys! (hahahah Great for Rock, Punk & metal...) I'm probably going to program some cool Dream Theater tunes and whatnot, maybe some deftones and some maiden, just 'cause I'd love to learn to play some of that stuff (PLUS!! Jamtrax!!) hahahaha Anyhoo, hope this helps! http://www.guitarius.net/RealisticRock.dbsong On Monday, January 31, 2005, at 04:22 PM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On 31 Jan 2005, at 20:26, guitariu(a)telus.net wrote: >> I did the same thing, only with Carmine Appice's 'Realistic Rock'... >> Anyone wants the DB file, lemme know... > > Absolutely! Please :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ >

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General OSX performance issues- slightly off topic
by Michael Carlyle 01 Feb '05

01 Feb '05

Guys, I hope I'm not crossing a line here, but I could use your input. My G4 400 with 700 plus megs of RAM is under-performing, in my opinion. I get loads of spinning beach balls, mostly after launching applications, but sometimes just while perusing around in the finder. I have a dedicated OSX partition, a User drive, a dedicated Swap drive, and a dedicated OS9 partiton (where I hardly ever go). I've also got a second drive where I save all my music and video work. I'm running the latest Panther product, 10.3.7. I'm thinking about a reformat this weekend and pitching the whole concept of partitioning. Without dragging this out into a lenthy off-topic discussion... any thoughts? Please reply off-list, if you don't mind. Thanks.

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Re: Hello All
by Sion Morris 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

Hi Scott Excellent guitar playing especially all the complicated soloing - those trills are unbelievably fast! Listened to Fuzzwhackmfer and The Crux and agree with Mike that you might get some good results from some other kits. My fave is David Holloway's second 70's Ludwig kit (downloadable from the doggiebox site: http://www.doggiebox.com/library/dbkits/70sLudwigKit_vII.zip) Its got a really good 'live drummer sound. and its a classic rock beat-up kit which would suit your sound well I think. All the best with your recording anyway Cheers Sion > hey there, I'm new to the list, just thought I'd say hello. > > So far, so good since I bought Doggiebox. I'm extremely happy with it, > BUT... lol > > I have a question or 2; Any Ideas on 1/4 note triplets, or do you do > it the 'hard' way and create an odd-time measure with a different > tempo to approximate it? > Also, how about other odd-time groupings like 5:4, 7:4, etc... Does > one pretty much do the same thing? > Last Question, anyone have any ideas on approximating a 'swung' feel? > > At any rate, here's my site, http://www.guitarius.net and in > particular, here's my link to my newest tunes (2005) All done with > doggiebox, so check it out, and lemme know what you think... > http://homepage.mac.com/scottkerr1/FileSharing6.html > > Thanks for your time, happy drumming...

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Happy new year, with 1E6
by Ben Kennedy 25 Jan '05

25 Jan '05

Hey all, Happy 2005. A new interim beta build is available here: <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1E6.tbz> Here's the deal since the last build: • Selection highlighting in the pattern editor now works on a beat- subdivision granularity: - Mousing in a bar's header area provides a triangle cursor which when clicked will select the beat subdivision below it. - Double-clicking in the header area (or in the drum grid between beats) will select the entire bar. - Contiguous regions can be selected by holding the shift key. - Individual divisions may be toggled by holding the command key. • Copying/pasting bars will include only the selected beats (remainder of bar will be filled with rests). This will shortly be improved so that only the beats themselves will be copied. • Improved robustness of MIDI Clock tempo control so that response should be more solid and tempo slider should not wiggle. (Please report conditions under which you find it still does; for example, playing a nominally 140bpm passage with a 150bpm clock seems to cause oscillation between 105-107% on the slider.) • Temporary "Carlpatrick" diagnostic warning on nil drum event detection. This will raise an alert dialog in certain circumstances where empty drums are found in a pattern. Under normal operation this should never occur, so this is an effort to help track down why it does. Please report if you ever see this alert, and describe the circumstances that led up to it. (Named after Patrick and Carl who have both reported symptoms previously :) Next up, I hope to make some actual progress with pasting beats within bars and so on. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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1E5 posted
by Ben Kennedy 24 Dec '04

24 Dec '04

Hi all, Now available at <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1E5.tbz>. What's new: • Playback tempo is now adjustable in real time according to inbound MIDI Clock events. Ken, please let me know if/how this actually works. :) • Fixed various bugs that have shown up in earlier 1E builds, including: - Some issues related to wacky tempo markings and default tempo for new bars (thanks Dan and Ken). - An issue where drum kit reconciliation did not work properly and could result in a crash (thanks Carl). - An issue where one drum may be inadvertently placed two or more times simultaneously at the same location, resulting in editing anomalies and seemingly louder velocity on some hits. (An easy way to determine whether your song has been affected by this is to open it up in Doggiebox 1.2 and see whether the same drum appears in several grid spots at the same beat position. If so, you'll have to fix this by hand using 1.2; sorry for any inconvenience.) - Some issues where empty bars, or rests at the start of a pattern, were sometimes skipped on playback. • Contrary to documentation and intent, Export Audio was always exporting the whole song (vs. just the selection, if there was one). Now fixed. I did not intend for it to take so long to get this build out. Unfortunately, trying to fix the empty bars/rests problem mentioned above opened a whole can of worms to do with tempo adjustments and calculations which has taken me a few days to deal with. As a side effect of this, there is a new known issue in this build: dragging the master tempo slider during playback will cause playback to stall as long as the mouse is down. Hopefully I will be able to fix this eventually. For the next build, I endeavour to actually introduce some more features (like beat-level copy/paste, etc.) rather than just bug fixes. :) -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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Playback tempo in 1E5 build
by Sooz and Ken Boldt 11 Dec '04

11 Dec '04

> Playback tempo is now adjustable in real time according to inbound > MIDI Clock events. I can report that db does indeed change it's tempo in response to inbound MIDI clock, but I experience the master temo slider/playback stall problem you describe when this happens. Also, (and this may be related to the slider/stall problem) the tempo slider never comes to rest at a new tempo after the new tempo is received- the slider sort of 'wiggles' back and forth constantly by a bpm or two. If I stop db playback and then restart it from the Mac keyboard or mouse, the slider stays put and the playback works OK. As soon as I send db MIDI clock, the slider starts wiggling again. (Is db polling constantly? Does db only compute 'integral' tempos and the incoming MIDI clock is in between?) Looking forward to the next release! Ken Boldt

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Exporting dbsong to two mono files
by Thorsten Kummer 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

Hi, is it possible to export a dbsong to two files (WAV, AIFF etc.). I need 2 mono files out of them , left and right channel, (24 resolution bit would be ideal). I can see checkboxes for 2 channels in the export dialogue but it's always disabled. Thank you Thorsten

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Beta build 1E4 posted
by Ben Kennedy 02 Dec '04

02 Dec '04

Hey all, New 1E4 build today at <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox- 1E4.tbz> which replaces Monday's build. Most notably, a bug is fixed which caused a lockup or crash upon starting playback (thanks Dan Costello). For obscure reasons this never manifested during the course of normal debugging. Secondly, on track with creating finer control for editing operations, cursor-key navigation is now possible on a beat-by-beat basis within patterns. Keyboard combinations in the pattern editor have changed slightly but should be immediately intuitive: - left, right arrows will navigate on a visible beat subdivision basis. - option-left, option-right will navigate bar by bar (as did left/right in previous versions). - command-left, command-right will jump to start and end of line respectively. - up, down arrows will walk line by line. - option-up, option-down will walk a screenful at a time. - command-up, command-down will jump to start and end of song respectively (as did up/down in previous versions). It is not yet possible to place the cursor inside a bar using the mouse, nor is it possible to select individual beats yet, but that's coming next. And finally, you may have noticed Safari (or your downloader of choice) spewing a bunch of garbage text when you tried to download the last build... I have fixed that on the web server so the file should download normally now. Let me know if you have any problems. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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New beta posted - Doggie 1E3
by Ben Kennedy 19 Nov '04

19 Nov '04

Hey folks, New build of the Dog for your toyage! Over the past several weeks I have not only been bogged as usual with non-doggiebox work, but I've also re-tooled some of the internal model used for representing beats within bars. As a result there has been some change to the file format (see below) but this will soon give rise to some more useful features like inserting beats, joining bars, pasting things together, etc. A note on plans and version numbering... at the moment this bears a "1.3" label. It may or may not end up being called that in the end; it depends how things go. Many desirable features have been discussed on this list over the past months, and I am going to try to start exploring them in these builds over the next while. So, what's new since 1.2: • Zooming level can now be controlled on a per-bar basis, like in the 1D1 demo build (July). Zoom operations will apply to selected bars, or if none are selected, then all visible bars. Zoom is now also saved to disk. • Icon handling in the drum kit editor has been improved to facilitate operations in the image's native format (e.g. PDF, EPS, PICT), in addition to simple bitmap. (Previously, all images were converted to TIFF during an export, copy or drag'n'drop, which could result in loss of detail -- Carl, this should fix the issues you had described awhile ago.) • Changing the time signature now causes the bar to retain its structure; for example, given a 3|4 bar containing 3 quarter notes, changing to 4|4 will cause the notes to become triplets over 4 beats. • Visual consistency in the pattern editor has been improved (e.g. 12|8 bars now appear like 4|4 bars at the same zoom). • There is a new Preferences option "Create backward-compatible files". If enabled, song files saved with this and later versions will still be openable in Doggiebox 1.1-1.2 (though they will be about twice as large on disk). Otherwise, Doggiebox 1E2 or newer will be required. This is due to extensive re-implementation of the underlying beat/bar timing model that will give rise to more versatile editing operations in the coming builds. • Mac OS 10.3.2 (or later) is now required. -- I am interested to hear how this impacts everyone. My perception is that a minority are using 10.2 now, and dropping support for it will allow me to concentrate on taking advantage of the newest tech. In several months Tiger will be out and it seems 10.3 will reasonably become the "legacy" platform. Also, several memory leaks have been fixed. Grab at <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1E3.tbz>. Stuffit Expander (or your choice of bzip2/tar utilities) should extract it. Feedback rocks as usual. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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1E3 crashes...
by Sooz and Ken Boldt 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

The 1E3 beta build crashes 3-4 seconds after I click the play button or hit the space bar to start it. I downloaded the file, expanded it, and started db. Insert one measure. Add a drum sound or two. Click the Play button. The button face changes to the brown square. Then db just disappears. No 'unexpectedly quit' alert or anything. Happens every time. The 1.2 version works fine. I even tried saving a drum kit from the beta to see if that fixed the problem - no luck. Is anyone else having this problem? Thanks, Ken Computer: iMac 15" flat panel 768 mb memory OS 10.3.6

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Re: Vintage 70s Ludwig Kit vII
by Sion Morris 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

Thanks for listening Interesting. I thought the recording space must have been different as the kit sound had changed quite a bit. If its a question of mike distance perhaps you could do two versions, one with close mike and dead space for people who want to do their own post-production reverb on etc and another 'authentic' version like v2 which has loads of character but is less flexible. I'm pretty sure that it would be hard to recreate the complex reverb of the space with computer reverbs. Two versions like this might be better than one halfway between the two? Anyway looking forward to future developments. Sion > thanks for the feedback. your songs sound great! > > i agree with you about the bass drum and the hi-hat. i just put new > heads on my bass drum. it has a bit more of that punch you mention. > > the kit was recorded in the same space both times, but with very > different miking techniques. the room itself is very "live" and > reverberant. for version 1 i recorded with a couple sm-57s > close-miked, about 6 inches away, from each instrument. this cut out > a lot of the room's echo, but lacked a certain realism in the stereo > recording i thought. > > version 2 was recorded with a paired set of condenser mikes placed > overhead (about 8 feet) and behind (about 2 feet) the kit. it > captured a nice realism with the stereo but the terrible acoustics of > the space became much more apparent. > > it has been a great education in drum miking! > > if i can find a more "dead" space to record in i think i'll stick with > the stereo condenser mikes and try again. i really like the > transparency of those mikes, but they sure pick up everything (the > good and the bad). > > the quest for the perfect drum sounds continues... ;-) > > d.

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Vintage 70s Ludwig Kit vII (23+MB!)
by David Holloway 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

hi folks, i have finally found some time to assemble a version II of the ludwig kit. it is quite different from the first effort, and probably won't appeal to everyone, but feel free to download and play with it. the url is: the url is: http://www.slugworth.com/blog/70sLudwigKit_vII.zip it includes a test arrangement. cheers, david. the official word: ---- Vintage 70s Ludwig Kit vII (23+MB!) Here's my latest DoggieBox drum kit. It is based on my 70s era Ludwig (toms and bass), with Zil crash and ride, a nasty old trash, and New Beat hats. It is recorded to DAT using a Rode NT4 stereo mic. A bit of compression and normalization has been applied. Caution, compressed this is 12+MB, and uncompressed it is about 23+MB. This kit is a much heavier sound than the previous kit. It is not useful for everything, but edges a little closer to that big boomy Bonham sound. Enjoy!

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Re: [Doggiebox] Vintage 70s Ludwig Kit vII
by Sion Morris 14 Nov '04

14 Nov '04

Hi David Thanks - will look forward to that. I've posted some new songs on my site using both original and the new Ludwig Kit.: http://www.cinnamondesign.co.uk/music/music.html See what you think. I used the bass drum from the original kit on both though - sounded a bit fuller and punchier. I also changed the hi hat prefs so that the sounds didn't cancel the previous sound as it made a bit of an un-natural sound That aside, I think I prefer the sound of the new set although the first is slightly more flexible as the sounds are purer. There's a definite sense that they were recorded in different places - a bit of wall echo in vii. Trash cymbal is great and also the 'rim shot' snare. Keep up the good work! Sion On 2 Nov 2004, at 10:17 pm, David Holloway wrote: > > sure, i've got a couple tambourines. i'll see if i can get some good > recordings out of them. stay tuned... (pardon the pun). > > > > On Nov 1, 2004, at 3:27 AM, Sion Morris wrote: > >> Hi David >> >> Thanks for taking the time to improve on your Ludwig db - I've had a >> quick mess about and like the refinements a lot. I think you've hit >> on a good combination of drum sequences and subtle alternate sounds >> that really give it a that 'real drummer' sound. The ns-kit is good >> for a clean professional polished result, but lacks the 'human' >> quality your kit has I think. Suits my needs perfectly. >> >> Any chance of some tambourine shakes? I know you've got one there ;-) >> A left and a right shake would be good - to be able to keep in time >> with the beat. Thats the only improvement I can think of. >> >> Will be posting an effort using the kit soon. >> >> Cheers >> >> Sion Morris

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interactivity
by Dan Costello 12 Nov '04

12 Nov '04

> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:20:12 -0500 > From: Sterling Beckwith <beckwith(a)yorku.ca> > > I'm all for livening up the interactivity with Doggiebox, as suggested > in the last two posts. If each item on the current playlist were > clickable with the mouse to initiate its playback, wouldn't this have > the same effect, without the problems of choosing and changing multiple > key assignments, etc.? If the idea were to be able to change things on the fly WHILE trying to play a guitar or keyboard, reaching over and slapping a key would be easier than reaching over, grabbing the mouse, finding the pointer on the screen, mousing to the new section, and clicking on it. But for just building a groove "on the fly" without actually writing out the entire arrangement in the Playlist section, being able to click on the next section from the Section list might be handy.

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Re: [Doggiebox] Vintage 70s Ludwig Kit vII
by John Stewart 12 Nov '04

12 Nov '04

Sion; Just a note - great songs! Thanks for posting the link. John Stewart Ottawa, Canada. > > I've posted some new songs on my site using both > original and the new > Ludwig Kit.: > > http://www.cinnamondesign.co.uk/music/music.html

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