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9 new kits- some assembly required
by The Reverend 02 Apr '04

02 Apr '04

I would post these myself, but I'm concerned about the copyright issues involved. Now... For those of you who have acquired GarageBand and the Jam Pack, I present you with this little tidbit: HD > Library > Application Support > GarageBand > Instrument Library > Sampler > Sampler Files. Here you will find ALL THE AIFF SAMPLES USED FOR GARAGEBAND'S VIRTUAL INSTRUMENTS. Use them wisely. As previously stated, I don't think a kit built from them is legally distributable, but you could always post the icon art and a "recipe". ********************************************** ^_^ -- The Reverend Rat -- (oo) Rock and roll like it still matters. \ / >V< http://www.revrat.com **********************************************

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Re: [Doggiebox] (recent features)
by dpwalsh6＠cox.net 01 Apr '04

01 Apr '04

I was pretty excited to see the keyboard mapping starting to make it's way into Doggiebox myself. But I think that it's still a little while before we could actually tap something in time like a drum machine. right? Still psyched tho. Happy tapping. Dan Walsh ============================================ ================ From: Carl Edlund Anderson <cea(a)carlaz.com> Date: 2004/03/09 Tue AM 11:25:09 EST To: Doggiebox <doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca> Subject: [Doggiebox] (recent features) Ben Kennedy wrote: > On 02 3 2004 at 5:11 am -0500, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >>and I start to wonder whether you >>can drag pre-definied sections from one open song file to another? > > You sure can! I forget whether I mentioned that specifically in the > release notes or not, but it's there. (You can also copy and paste.) So I suppose that means I could create a song file that simply held all the patterns that I wanted to reuse, or it opens the way to a dedicated "pattern library" as part of the interface ....? Ben Kennedy wrote: > And finally, a new (old?!) feature: using keyboard shortcuts for > selecting drums finally works. To take advantage, open a drum kit file > and assign some key shortcuts to the drums in the drum kit editor. Then, > while editing a song, pressing the corresponding key will select the > appropriate drum (or cycle through, if the same key is assigned to > several drums). Ooooh, that's cool. I remember having a devil of a time trying to figure out the correct timing for something that I could tap on my knee without trouble but couldn't get entered into DB's editor without major brain strain (for my brain, anyway :) This should make such things easier :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> ============================================ ================

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Questions
by Dinni Bartholomew 31 Mar '04

31 Mar '04

Couple of questions about Doggiebox: 1. Will i be able to edit the velocity of individual drum hits 2. Will i be able to eq/compress/add reverb to individual drum components and /or the entire kit 3. In terms of timing, is there a swing feature for jazz/latin type beats or is this something i will have to program myself 4. Is there anyway to trigger a sound using the computer keybord or midi controller and if so is there a way to assign each drum kit component to a corresponding key on the midi controller / computer keyboard 5. Is it possible to export each drum component as a separate audio file (for later importing into a DAW app) 6. Is it useable as a pluggin for a DAW (VST or any other format) Thanks in advance for the help Regards, Dinni

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Fwd: Some "dehlicious" contribution ;-)
by Ben Kennedy 31 Mar '04

31 Mar '04

Hi folks, Jean-Christophe Taboada has provided a new dbkit for the library, now posted for download: Indian tablas! >A friend of mine dropped by with a pair of tablas, and I figured it >might be useful to others to have some sounds from Indian percussions. >Included is the tablas's drumkit and a little sample song. This is great, slowly increasing our roster of ethnic percussion... -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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Delete patterns- did I miss something?
by Mike Carlyle 28 Mar '04

28 Mar '04

I'm glad to say that, now that I understand the new interface a little better, I'm starting to prefer it over the original. I'm working on a song now. I need to delete an extra, empty pattern. There doesn't seem to be a delete menu option and the old keyboard shortcut does not seem to work. What to do?

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Version 1.1 final posted
by Ben Kennedy 16 Mar '04

16 Mar '04

Hey folks, One dot one is up. There are no significant changes from the 1B5 beta I posted on Friday, except for the inclusion of an updated version of Ben's Premier Kit with keyboard shortcuts assigned, plus a new Demo Song. The full overview of changes since 1.0.6 (which you are no doubt familiar with by now): • A much improved section and playlist structuring model has been introduced, with corresponding menu commands and key shortcuts, as well as support for cut/copy/paste and drag 'n drop. • The song editor window has been redesigned for better usability: a) the drum kit drawer has been moved into the main window and is much larger; b) the song name, details and kit are no longer accessed via a separate dialog sheet. • The Preferences dialog has been simplified. The default drum kit picker is gone; instead, Doggiebox now automatically remembers the most recently chosen kit. • Added a new preference for "begin new line at each section", which will create line breaks in the pattern editor for better visual navigation. • Changes to the master tempo and master level sliders are now Undoable, and the master tempo slider can now be reset to 100% by double- clicking it. • Using keyboard shortcuts for selecting drums in the song editor finally works. • Cosmetic improvements to pattern editor. • Fixed bug where the duration of exported audio would be truncated in some circumstances when "Allow final sounds to decay completely" was turned on. • Other miscellaneous bug fixes and improvements. • Mac OS X 10.2 is now required, and 10.3 is recommended. Updates are free for current users. Grab it at <http:// www.doggiebox.com/download.php>. Enjoy! -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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1B5: bug fixes and doc update
by Ben Kennedy 13 Mar '04

13 Mar '04

Hi folks, The latest build of 1.1 is now up for consumption at <http:// www.doggiebox.com/beta/Doggiebox-1B5.zip> Here are the notables: • Substantial updates to the user documentation to reflect changes in 1.1. • Fixed various bugs to do with manipulating sections in the section list and playlist. • Fixed bug where the duration of exported audio would be truncated in some circumstances when "Allow final sounds to decay completely" was turned on. • Improved behaviour so that after a Paste in the pattern editor, the insertion point ends up after the new bars as typically expected. Also, pursuant to some the terminology ideas being tossed around, I've relabeled the "layout" table to "playlist". I think that will make some more sense to new users, who are already familiar with that term from e.g. iTunes, etc. I would like to announce the 1.1 release early next week, so if there are any critical issues that catch anyone's eye in the ensuing time it would be cool to know. Also, I have done a bunch of rewriting and organization of the user docs to bring them up to date. Any and all editorial remarks thereupon are welcome. (In particular, there is a brief section for users upgrading from 1.0.x, the intent of which is to illuminate the new design and help avoid the types of frustration which Mike and Tor were experiencing. Comments are welcome.) Finally, a couple of people have emailed (to the list and to me personally) over the past few days -- I have not had time to respond yet, but I will shortly -- have just been busy. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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(no subject)
by dpwalsh6＠cox.net 10 Mar '04

10 Mar '04

Hey, a bit off the subject but still related... anyone have any info on very basic (beginner) percussion chart reading and writing? i am so sucky at this... as a long time bass player i know what i want to hear and have been driving myself crazy sitting at the comp. trying to program stuff in doggiebox. any links, books, videos would be appreciated. Thanks all. Dan W.

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Frustrated
by Mike Carlyle 09 Mar '04

09 Mar '04

I'm completely stumped by version 1.1B (build 3)'s section editor and layout editor. I get the fact that I can choose sections for playback and that is helpful, but it is offset by the fact that I can no longer add sections or insert bars. Previously, I could highlight some bars, choose "new section" in the section area down on the left, and my selected bars became a new section. Now, when I do this I get a blank new section with no bars. I can't add bars to the new section. I can't add a new "layout" either, whatever that is. Is a layout a section? I don't get it. When I add a new "layout", I end up with a duplicate of the one before it. As I understand it, this version produces a song file format that is not compatible with earlier versions. Do I need to grab the current release and start over? I find this confounding User Interface very frustrating. It's killed my inspiration for today.

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Re: Doggiebox Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 - Confusing Interface?
by Mike Listrom 03 Mar '04

03 Mar '04

On Mar 2, 2004, at 1:10 AM, doggiebox-request(a)lists.zygoat.ca wrote: > >> I find this confounding User Interface very frustrating. >> It's killed my inspiration for today. > > I suspect that you have found this in particular because you have > become > very accustomed to the 1.0 style of doing things, and have jumped right > in to 1.1 without a full awareness of the design changes. This is not > a > criticism of you at all. It is more a testament to the lack of present > documentation, and the fact that I have thrown out the 1.1 beta series > to > you folks to play with as it develops. This might be the case, but could be avoided by more human mapping techniques. I am an Interactive/Industrial Designer, and I feel very strongly about visual cues enabling people to quickly rationalize novel items, such as the new user interface. I would highly suggest to push these ideas into your product to greatly reduce confusion. The problem lies in the fact that the interface buttons, menu items etc afford a particular action, and the more actions hidden/ unannounced to new users, or even seasoned users, the more difficult it is. Visual cues (shapes of buttons and color, highlight shades of color (that already exists) and other things, even audible cues can greatly reduce confusion, and then you can get as novel as you want with the interface, because people will have the ability to rationalize the interface intuitively. You have to merge the pre-existing knowledge people have of computer interfaces, and blend that with novelty, and you have to understand the psychology of designing for us stupid humans, and the next thing you know, it's a perfect synthesis. I know I am just a preachy dude, and I will not say another word about the interface unless I am called upon, but check out Donald A. Norman's book, "the design of everyday things". It's short and sweet, and has given me the ability to rationalize things previously ill-defined in human interface design. I think you all are ON THE RIGHT TRACK with the shapes of the drum instruments, etc, but push it even farther, get crazy! get nuts! make doggie box the coolest app for os x! WIN AWARDS! hahah alright peace. mike listrom

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greek
by Tor Lillegraven 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

thanks for gettin back to us Ben I`ve actually been playing with the new build all day, and as I get used to it, I have to say its a major improvement over the last one. At first it seemed pretty random (its still a bit buggy), but I think the idea behind it is great. Being able to work on just a section at a time is great, but I need to look at the whole song at times to work it out... a great feature would be the abilitiy to mark parts (eg. verse, chorus, etc) with color coding, or some feature that make them instantly recognizable when you show "all" in the layout window. Right now it`s like greek -- my girlfirend took one look at it and said "how can you make sense out of all those squares and circles? " I guess the simple abilty to mark the "top" of the bars with a color and a tag would do the trick... or the ability to have a "blank" bar that signifies change... Tor ***************************************************************** Denne fotnoten bekrefter at denne e-postmeldingen ble skannet av MailSweeper og funnet fri for virus. ***************************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MailSweeper for the presence of computer viruses. *****************************************************************

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(no subject)
by Tor Lillegraven 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

well, this is what im getting: If you paste after bar 3, it works just dandy. But if you paste after, lets say, bar 52 -- the cursor stays in the "right" place, but the window scolls down so far that I cant actually SEE the cursor anymore! I have to scroll back up to where i just pasted... the best solution would be to have the cursor appear at the end of the section that u just pasted, leaving it highlighted... making sure its smack in the middle of the "song window" Tor Actually, what I'm getting is that the cursor stays in the same place. e.g. if you copy, and move your cursor so it's sitting after bar 3, and paste a bunch of bars, the cursor remains sitting after bar 3 (the stuff you have just pasted is now following it). I agree, this is a bit irritating. What should we do -- hilite (become selected) the stuff that was just pasted? Or have the cursor appear at its end? -ben ***************************************************************** Denne fotnoten bekrefter at denne e-postmeldingen ble skannet av MailSweeper og funnet fri for virus. ***************************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MailSweeper for the presence of computer viruses. *****************************************************************

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Re: [Doggiebox] 1B4: bug fixes
by Ben Kennedy 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

On 02 3 2004 at 5:20 am -0500, Tor Lillegraven wrote: >hmmmm...I cant seem to get this version to launch at all...not even after >I thrashed all my prefs. Anyone else having this problem? Crap, I posted the wrong build (that one was the debug version with zerolink, which will only launch locally). I've re-posted the 1B4 archive; please grab it again at the same URL. Thanks for pointing this out, and sorry about this folks! -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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Re: [Doggiebox] Frustrated
by Carl Edlund Anderson 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

Mike Carlyle wrote: > <tangent> Ever see the site for Girlbrand guitars?, he uses terms like > "bite" and "sting", or "fantasy" and "reality" instead of "rhythm" and > "lead" for his guitar pickup selectors. </tangent> Argh. I have a DOD "bass grunge" distortion pedal which produces good distorted bass for the buck, but is equipped with strange grunge-kid-oid knob labels like "More", "Juice", and "Zip" (there's another I can't even remember) that I can never figure out the _real_ meanings of in the moment! I keep meaning to tape them over with useful labels like "Master Volume", "Gain", and "Tone" :) That's another tangent I suppose .... :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/

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RE: [Doggiebox] 1B4: bug fixes
by Tor Lillegraven 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

hmmmm...I cant seem to get this version to launch at all...not even after I thrashed all my prefs. Anyone else having this problem? Tor >>> "Ben Kennedy" <ben(a)zygoat.ca> 02.03.04 3:59 >>> Hey folks, A new beta build is up. This one is mainly bug fixes and refinements. Of note: Fixed some problems introduced in 1B3: * Drag from Sections to empty part of Markers list did not work under 10.2. * Option-drag within Sections list did not work, causing weird behaviour. * It was impossible to insert bars into an empty section. And finally, a new (old?!) feature: using keyboard shortcuts for selecting drums finally works. To take advantage, open a drum kit file and assign some key shortcuts to the drums in the drum kit editor. Then, while editing a song, pressing the corresponding key will select the appropriate drum (or cycle through, if the same key is assigned to several drums). Grab at <http://www.doggiebox.com/beta/Doggiebox-1B4.zip> -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca ***************************************************************** Denne fotnoten bekrefter at denne e-postmeldingen ble skannet av MailSweeper og funnet fri for virus. ***************************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MailSweeper for the presence of computer viruses. *****************************************************************

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Re: [Fwd: Using doggiebox to make loops]
by Ben Kennedy 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

On 01 3 2004 at 1:01 am -0500, travis laduke wrote: >I downloaded some little program called Mix from versiontracker to make >sure it wasn't my loop program that was acting odd. i get oddness in >both programs. Thanks for the sample! You're right, it seems there is a bug. I'll fix this for the next release. In the mean time, turn OFF "allow final sounds to decay completely" in the preferences, and you will find you can export this particular loop properly. The bug appears to be that when "allow final decay" is turned on, it has the opposite effect for sounds whose last decay is actually shorter than the duration of its beat (in your case, the closed hi-hat at 120 bpm). During testing, I was probably always using crash cymbals or such at the end of the bar, so this got missed. Great catch. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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1B4: bug fixes
by Ben Kennedy 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

Hey folks, A new beta build is up. This one is mainly bug fixes and refinements. Of note: Fixed some problems introduced in 1B3: • Drag from Sections to empty part of Markers list did not work under 10.2. • Option-drag within Sections list did not work, causing weird behaviour. • It was impossible to insert bars into an empty section. And finally, a new (old?!) feature: using keyboard shortcuts for selecting drums finally works. To take advantage, open a drum kit file and assign some key shortcuts to the drums in the drum kit editor. Then, while editing a song, pressing the corresponding key will select the appropriate drum (or cycle through, if the same key is assigned to several drums). Grab at <http://www.doggiebox.com/beta/Doggiebox-1B4.zip> -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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pasting bug
by Tor Lillegraven 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

every time I cut and paste into the new build (having seleted "all" in the layout section -- eg. showing the whole song) , the cursor jumps to the end of the song. This gets extremely annoying, cause I loose track of where I was (I have a small brain;) I have to scroll back to find where I did the pasting... Am I the only one experienceing this? tor ***************************************************************** Denne fotnoten bekrefter at denne e-postmeldingen ble skannet av MailSweeper og funnet fri for virus. ***************************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MailSweeper for the presence of computer viruses. *****************************************************************

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Re: [Doggiebox] Frustrated
by Mike Carlyle 29 Feb '04

29 Feb '04

Thanks Tor, As sorry as I am to say it, I must consider the current beta release to be unusable for serious programming due to some very non-intuitive interface behavior. The observation you made about the layout changes being global is killing me as well. If I have a "verse 1" and a "verse 2", I certainly do not expect changes in one of them to also occur in the other. I'm going to start this particular project over again using the current release version. On Sunday, February 29, 2004, at 12:46 PM, Tor Lillegraven wrote: > Hi Mike > > I saw your mail earlier today, and was considering "warning" you about > the new build. I guess you found out for yourself :-P > > The new editors are hardly very intuitive -- but one I got it worked > out, it seemed like a good idea -- being able to just "repeat" various > parts throughout the song using scripting, rather than having to cut > and > paste you way through the song. > > I guess u make up the various parts of the song in the section editor > -- verse, chorus, etc -- and then actually build them (add drums) in > the > layout editor. Next step is to deciede the running order of the song in > the layout editor: verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bride chorus x 2 or > whatever. > > But as I got into it, I got frustrated because as I was making changes > to a part of the song, the change would be global. To me, working like > this gets confusing, because I tend to put in different fills between > parts. this is very tricky to do in the new version -- you end up > having > to make verse 1,2,3,4 and chorus 1,2,3,4... > > this is a logistical nightmare -- just cutting and pasting like I did > in the pervios build seemed so much easier... but maybe I`m not doing > this right... > > also: the section arent very clearly marked when you show "all" in the > layout sections. Some kind of color coding or something to that effect > would be very helpful. > > > >> Tor > > > > >>>> Mike Carlyle <mcarlyle(a)charter.net> 29.02.2004 18:01:36 >>> > I'm completely stumped by version 1.1B (build 3)'s section editor and > layout editor. I get the fact that I can choose sections for playback > and that is helpful, but it is offset by the fact that I can no longer > > add sections or insert bars. > > Previously, I could highlight some bars, choose "new section" in the > section area down on the left, and my selected bars became a new > section. Now, when I do this I get a blank new section with no bars. I > > can't add bars to the new section. I can't add a new "layout" either, > whatever that is. Is a layout a section? I don't get it. When I add a > new "layout", I end up with a duplicate of the one before it. > > As I understand it, this version produces a song file format that is > not compatible with earlier versions. Do I need to grab the current > release and start over? > > I find this confounding User Interface very frustrating. > > It's killed my inspiration for today. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> > To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: > <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> > > > ***************************************************************** > Denne fotnoten bekrefter at denne e-postmeldingen ble > skannet av MailSweeper og funnet fri for virus. > ***************************************************************** > This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by > MailSweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > ***************************************************************** >

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RE: [Doggiebox] Frustrated
by Tor Lillegraven 29 Feb '04

29 Feb '04

Hi Mike I saw your mail earlier today, and was considering "warning" you about the new build. I guess you found out for yourself :-P The new editors are hardly very intuitive -- but one I got it worked out, it seemed like a good idea -- being able to just "repeat" various parts throughout the song using scripting, rather than having to cut and paste you way through the song. I guess u make up the various parts of the song in the section editor -- verse, chorus, etc -- and then actually build them (add drums) in the layout editor. Next step is to deciede the running order of the song in the layout editor: verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bride chorus x 2 or whatever. But as I got into it, I got frustrated because as I was making changes to a part of the song, the change would be global. To me, working like this gets confusing, because I tend to put in different fills between parts. this is very tricky to do in the new version -- you end up having to make verse 1,2,3,4 and chorus 1,2,3,4... this is a logistical nightmare -- just cutting and pasting like I did in the pervios build seemed so much easier... but maybe I`m not doing this right... also: the section arent very clearly marked when you show "all" in the layout sections. Some kind of color coding or something to that effect would be very helpful. >Tor >>> Mike Carlyle <mcarlyle(a)charter.net> 29.02.2004 18:01:36 >>> I'm completely stumped by version 1.1B (build 3)'s section editor and layout editor. I get the fact that I can choose sections for playback and that is helpful, but it is offset by the fact that I can no longer add sections or insert bars. Previously, I could highlight some bars, choose "new section" in the section area down on the left, and my selected bars became a new section. Now, when I do this I get a blank new section with no bars. I can't add bars to the new section. I can't add a new "layout" either, whatever that is. Is a layout a section? I don't get it. When I add a new "layout", I end up with a duplicate of the one before it. As I understand it, this version produces a song file format that is not compatible with earlier versions. Do I need to grab the current release and start over? I find this confounding User Interface very frustrating. It's killed my inspiration for today. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> ***************************************************************** Denne fotnoten bekrefter at denne e-postmeldingen ble skannet av MailSweeper og funnet fri for virus. ***************************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MailSweeper for the presence of computer viruses. *****************************************************************

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Current beta stability?
by Mike Carlyle 29 Feb '04

29 Feb '04

I'm certainly aware of the perils of using beta software, but I was hoping to hear a brief summary of any possible issues with DB 1.1B. I'm about to begin a new project and will be investing a lot of time in programming drums. Should I worry? I remember a list of potential issues, but in weeding through my old emails, I'm afraid I may be missing some.

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Re: Doggiebox Digest, Vol 8, Issue 15
by Mike Listrom 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

On Feb 25, 2004, at 12:00 PM, doggiebox-request(a)lists.zygoat.ca wrote: > Send Doggiebox mailing list submissions to > doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > doggiebox-request(a)lists.zygoat.ca > > You can reach the person managing the list at > doggiebox-owner(a)lists.zygoat.ca > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Doggiebox digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Separate exports (Ben Kennedy) > 2. Re: Some other ideas (Ben Kennedy) > 3. Using GarageBand samples to build dbkits (Bret Van Horn) > 4. Re: Using GarageBand samples to build dbkits (Ben Kennedy) > 5. Re: Using GarageBand samples to build dbkits (Christoph) > 6. Re: Using GarageBand samples to build dbkits (andrew kator) > 7. Re: Using GarageBand samples to build dbkits (Patrick O'Donoghue) > 8. Re: Using GarageBand samples to build dbkits (Bret Van Horn) > 9. Re: Using GarageBand samples to build dbkits (Bret Van Horn) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:02:04 -0500 > From: "Ben Kennedy" <ben(a)zygoat.ca> > Subject: Re: [Doggiebox] Separate exports > To: "Doggiebox List(s)" <doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca> > Message-ID: <20040224220204.1557@balsam> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On 22 2 2004 at 7:32 pm -0500, Mike Carlyle wrote: > >> This is high on my list too. I think it's at least ON a list right >> now, >> right Ben? > > Yep. It'll happen. Eventually. ;) > > -ben > > -- > Ben Kennedy, chief magician > zygoat creative technical services > 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 > http://www.zygoat.ca > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:08:27 -0500 > From: "Ben Kennedy" <ben(a)zygoat.ca> > Subject: Re: [Doggiebox] Some other ideas > To: "Doggiebox List(s)" <doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca> > Message-ID: <20040224220827.13966@balsam> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On 22 2 2004 at 7:47 pm -0500, Mike Listrom wrote: > >> Another idea I have would be scriptable songs. [...] >> I would also like to see programmable tasks [...] > > Interesting ideas. So essentially, Applescript'ability. I'll add that > to the wish list. for sure... > >> Also; integrating everything into a singe-window-interface is a bad >> idea. I feel that floating windows achieve greater flexibility for >> people that use multiple monitors, or people without enough monitor >> space for all of the tools to be displayed at a time. > > Which components would you put in floating windows? The drum kit > palette > is an obvious one I guess. Anything else? Too many floaters would > confuse things though I think. I think that the section markers, the scrubbing tool (timeline tool), the instrument pallet should be separate from the main the section viewer. To bring down confusion (to many windows), possibly integrate the time information section with the section marking tools, or perhaps group things in a more human user natural map. I great book to help give insight in to this is "the design of everyday things". I would try to approach the interface as you would a physical product. Visual cues should give insight to the user where things should be. This might require user-ended research. The less text and more visual cues you can give, the better. I would really suggest reading chapters 4-5 in the book I mentioned above. You will benefit TREMENDOUSLY from this information. > >> â¢ Basic viewing and listening to different sections: >> - need to scrub easily through song, perhaps implement some scrubbing >> window > > Yeah, this will be improved eventually, including such basic things as > "play from cursor", etc. yeah, that should be really helpful > >> â¢ editing >> -quick keys for setting up tools to modify and create beats within a >> section, this would closely tie into the scrubbing window for quick >> access to the desired section. > > Can you elaborate on this? I would like to see some keys that would quickly allow you to I guess change work flow. I am not sure exactly what I think could be the best method of describing this, let me get back to u all on this. :) > >> Also! possible export into formal stave notation? > > That could be a doozy. It would require a lot of work and research > which > is kind of orthoganal to the main functions of the app, and which other > commercial tools do pretty well. It would be neat, but unless another > developer would like to take charge of it, I don't see it happening in > the immediate term. yeah, just a thought.

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Using GarageBand samples to build dbkits
by Bret Van Horn 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

Not sure if this has been posted yet (not to my knowledge at leas), so apologies if it's redundant info: So I finally got GarageBand last week and had a small amount of time to play with it. It's a very intuitive and flexible tool for mocking up song ideas, and I suppose you could take it as far as you wanted to if you had the time. At the same time, while I liked the quality of GB's drum samples, I didn't like the inflexibility of the drum sequencing. So I started to think that perhaps they are using a drum sequencer of their own design, since beats can be slowed down or sped up without any effect of sound quality. This would mean they probably have some sample files laying around somewhere that just might be importable to, er, other applications. After some poking around, I hit the mother-load and discovered the directory containing all of the instrument samples in AIFF format, all ready for Doggiebox. Of course, I should caution this with the usual disclaimers and questions as to the legality of using Apple's samples in Doggiebox, but I also can't see how it would hurt, as you are essentially doing with them what you would do in GarageBand. At any rate, the kind folks at Apple have recorded the drum samples at various velocities, hit styles, and volumes, which lends itself perfectly to making new kits with Doggiebox. Basically, the samples all live in: /Library/Application Support/GarageBand/Instrument Library/Sampler/Sampler Files/ In there anything ending with the word "Kit" is a drum kit. File names are prepended with the initials for that particular drum tool. I.E., BD for bass drum, HH for hi-hat, SD for snare, CR for crash, etc. Just open up Doggiebox, create a new kit, and go to town. Have fun! On a related topic, if you want to use GarageBand's midi capabilities for simple midi parts and don't own a midi keyboard, I found this app which lets your computer keyboard function as a midi input device. Pretty slick: http://www.manyetas.com/creed/midikeys_beta.html Not used it yet, but looks promising for my needs. -Bret

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Re: [Doggiebox] Using GarageBand samples to build dbkits
by Patrick O'Donoghue 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

Question here regarding creating a new kit: I've been a DB user, but have never created a new kit myself....so.... I found the GarageBand drum kit files (as mentioned in a previous post); I opened up "New drum Kit" in Doggiebox...but, how do I actually get the GargaeBand files to show up in the Doggiebox "New Drum Kit" dialogue...???? ----Original Message Follows---- From: Christoph <hermiteer(a)itsallconnected.com> To: Ben Kennedy <ben(a)zygoat.ca>, Doggiebox <doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca> Subject: Re: [Doggiebox] Using GarageBand samples to build dbkits Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:41:06 -0800 >> After some poking around, I hit the mother-load and discovered the >> directory containing all of the instrument samples in AIFF format, all >> ready for Doggiebox. > > Thanks for this, Bret. No kidding, thanks Bret. I had been wondering this myself but haven't had enough time to play with GB much. But knowing this now, I feel justified that iLife is at least 2 gigs of excellent samples to use with DB :) Cheers, Christoph ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/

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Re: Doggiebox Digest, Vol 8, Issue 12
by Mike Listrom 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

Another idea I have would be scriptable songs. This would allow the composer to set repeated bars, repeated sections, change the b.p.m. on the fly, to allow even more complex arrangements. I would also like to see programmable tasks to allow the user to script actions he uses most, such as setting up a song at 120 bpm with for bars in 7/8. This would be great for teaching applications. Also; integrating everything into a singe-window-interface is a bad idea. I feel that floating windows achieve greater flexibility for people that use multiple monitors, or people without enough monitor space for all of the tools to be displayed at a time.

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