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Re: [doggiebox] Recent Posts: Samples/Kits
by Scott Newbern 03 Aug '03

03 Aug '03

I've had some luck with the Natural Studio samples. Their aim is to have the best sampled free drum kit available. Check it out: http://www.nskit.com/ The sounds are very high quality. The samples are setup with velocity layers for sampler/sequencer type software, but if you download the set of .wav files you can pick and choose the samples you want for doggieBox. The levels need to be adjusted a bit because of this, but they sound great. Ben, you might want to check these out for when you get around to working the dynamics / velocity feature. -Scott

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Doggiebox and other instruments
by Michael Garrett 28 May '03

28 May '03

Warning: I've just joined this mailing list and I'm sure this question has been asked before... How are other people recording bass/guitar/vocals when they are using Doggiebox? The example mp3 songs on the web site are great. I'm curious about wether the drums were streamed out of the Mac to a digital four track, or wether it's possible to record guitar directly to the Mac while Doggiebox plays in the background, or wether the best bet is to save the drum track out as an audio file and then use a multitrack program .I have a copy of Cubase I can upgrade for OS X although I don't really like using it, it's too much like work considering I work all day on my Mac. The main thing I like about Doggiebox is that it seems to be fun to use. So if I could keep everything else fun (ie. recording the other instruments) then I'd be cookin'... Cheers Michael -- --- http://homepage.mac.com/michael_garrett/

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Fwd: Re: problem
by Ben Kennedy 26 May '03

26 May '03

Matt Roberts wrote: >when I go to open a new song and choose the default drum kit, I have to >go back to song options and choose the drum kit again. .... >It chooses the new kit in the info box, but when I start working on the >song it is the default kit. Then I go into the song options box again, >rechoose the drumkit, and go back to the song and the one I chose is >there. I am unable to reproduce this problem. Can anybody else confirm similar behaviour? (I did, however, discover that Undo doesn't work on new songs until they are saved and reopened... now fixed for the next build) -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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Metronome
by Ryk Groetchen 26 May '03

26 May '03

Hi Ben, I am surprised at the lack of a good reliable Metronome for OS X. Here is a list of what's available on Versiontracker: http://www.versiontracker.com/mp/ new_search.m?productDB=mac&mode=Quick&OS_Filter=MacOSX&search=metronome& x=0&y=0 I have tried emailing the developers, and it seems that these apps are no longer in development. Any chance you'd be interested in putting one together with what you've learned from Doggiebox? Of the apps listed on VT, MetroGnome seems the most reliable/best features, but am not able to get a response from the developer about updates/bug fixes/new features. You've been so approachable, I thought it wouldn't hurt to ask. Anyone else interested please chime in! Regards, Ryk A. Groetchen windrag(a)earthlink.net

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Looking for a killer metal kit
by Hermiteer 26 May '03

26 May '03

If someone has or knows of someone with a killer double bass drum kit and would be willing to make a doggiebox kit out of it, I'd be greatly appreciative. Basically I would like to see: Double bass Hi-hat 4 toms 1 floor tom 2 rides 2 crashes 1 Chinaman (is it still called that?) I waiting for my CD of drum samples to show up, but I'm not sure how the legality of that would work. Is it different than someone recording the sound their drum makes and giving it to you? Cheers, Christoph PS. Oh and if possible, throw in a cowbell for good measure :)

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time signatures
by Mike Carlyle 25 May '03

25 May '03

I've drum-programmed some fairly intricate things over the past 10 or so years, but I still lack some musical or technical knowledge. Even though I can tap out a beat, or even play it on a drum kit, I rarely know what time signature (or combination of signatures) I'm playing, unless it's 3/4 or 4/4. This makes it challenging when I sit down with Doggiebox. I usually do a couple of false starts, changing the combination of tempo/time sig/note value. What's the most reliable way for me to figure out what time signature to start programming a beat with? Are there shareware apps that can help?

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Marching Percussion Sounds
by DefRider71＠aol.com 23 May '03

23 May '03

I'd love to have some marching percussion sounds (marching snares, basses, tenors, cymbals (different types of crashes, sizzles, etc.). Tap Space Productions has a good one. I'm sure you extract the sounds from their sample MP3... -- Greg Fiumara DefRider71(a)aol.com

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Fwd: Version 1.0.3 now available
by Ben Kennedy 23 May '03

23 May '03

---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- Subject: [doggiebox-announce] Version 1.0.3 now available Date Sent: Friday, 23 May 2003 4:27 pm From: Ben Kennedy <ben(a)zygoat.ca> To: doggiebox-announce(a)lists.zygoat.ca Greetings all, Here's what's new in Doggiebox version 1.0.3, posted today: - Added long-awaited Undo support for various song editing operations. - Added new Erase functionality: hold the Option key while mousing over the pattern editor, and click (or drag) to immediately remove any drums beneath the cursor. - File references (saved in preferences and song files) are now stored using alias records instead of absolute paths. As a result, Doggiebox should be less prone to lose track of drum kits that have been moved or renamed. (Song file format has been updated.) Download it now at <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox.sit> In addition to the new version, we are pleased to announce that the beginnings of a drum kit & sound file library is now online. Download and try out some other drum kits to change the sound of your tunes! <http:// www.doggiebox.com/library/> Additionally, the online FAQ has been updated with a few entries, and the entire Doggiebox documentation is now online as well. Have fun, -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: doggiebox-announce-unsubscribe(a)lists.zygoat.ca For additional commands, e-mail: doggiebox-announce-help(a)lists.zygoat.ca ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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Re: [doggiebox] Doggiebox and other instruments
by Patrick O'Donoghue 23 May '03

23 May '03

One thing I try to do is this....I always add the 1-2-3-4 (I use the rim-shot or side-shot) at the beginning of the Doggiebox drum patten WHEN I'M BUILDING IT in Doggiebox, it then allows me to count-off the exact same way whenever I swap out drum tracks on a particular song. (I'm careful not to duplicate that opening bar -- i.e., the 1-2-3-4 count-off -- when cutting and pasting for an extended drum loop.) After I have a basic (i.e., repetitive) drum pattern imported into Pro Tools, I'll record the guitars, vocals, etc. Then, after the basic song structure is in place, I'll go back to the original Doggiebox file (which still has the 1-2-3-4 count-off intro), make changes to the body of the file adding fills, crashes, etc.. at points where the song needs it, then import that newly revised drum track into Pro Tools. (If you do it on a new track, and leave the original drum track in place, you can mute all other tracks and listen to see if the two drum tracks are in sync. They should be.) Then I delete the first repetitive drum track, and also delete the 1-2-3-4 count-off prior to mixing out to the Master Mix. >From: Carl Edlund Anderson <cea(a)carlaz.com> >To: Doggiebox <doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca> >Subject: Re: [doggiebox] Doggiebox and other instruments >Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:02:31 +0100 > >At 18:31 22/05/2003, Hermiteer wrote: >> > I have a (now rather old) Roland VS-1680 and Doggiebox is my drummer >> > :) For my set-up, the best technique _seems_ to be to assemble a basic >> > percussion track in Doggiebox, export it as an AIFF, playback the AIFF >>and >> > record it on the 1680, then record guitars, etc. on top of that. The >>trick >> > is that I often want to change the details of the percussion track as I >> > work on the song (add fill here, extra cymbal there), but it's >>difficult to >> > synchronize the start of play to rerecord the drum track directly (thus >>my >> > MIDI feature requests some weeks back :) It works out (at present) a >> > little easier to simply slap a whole new AIFF over the original >>percussion >> > track on the 1680 to get it on the machine and roughly in place, and >>then >> > "nudge" the whole thing into synchronization with the other >> > instruments. It's still a little tedious, but not impossible. >> >>I do basically the same thing, except that I've found it invaluable to add >>a >>measure of "count off" cymbal hits before the drum track starts. This >>ensures that the other tracks start at the right time and allows you to >>swap >>out the drum track with no ill effects on the timing of the other tracks. > >Well, I generally add "count off" hits at the beginning anyway, just so I >can tell when to start playing the other instruments when overdubbing :) >But I kind of see what you mean, except that if I were swapping out the >whole drum track, I wouldn't be able to hear the count off if it were part >of the rest of the drum track that was being swapped out (assuming I read >what you're doing right). In any case, the trick for me is to always get >the drum track starting at Time N, where N is however many units of time >measurement into recording process the music is supposed to start. > >I suppose, though, if I just think of the the Play button itself as just >another instrument, if I recorded a separate count-off on a separate track >from the "real percussion tracks", I could use that as my aural cue for >1-2-3-4-Go, pressing play on "Go" :) That ought to result in a new >percussion track that is _pretty_ closing in timing to the one that's being >replaced (and I could always then shift the resulting new drum track a few >units of time one way or another from the VS-1680's interface). Might be >able to skip the AIFF step that way .... Kind of obvious, when I think >about it :) > >But that's why I asked some while ago about adding MIDI features in >Doggiebox: so that I could essentially slave it to the MIDI time clock on >the VS-1680, meaning that, at the appropriate moment, the 1680 would tell >Doggiebox "Go!" and go Doggiebox would, the same time, everytime. > >Cheers, >Carl > > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >mailto:cea@carlaz.com >http://www.carlaz.com/ > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - http://www.doggiebox.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: doggiebox-unsubscribe(a)lists.zygoat.ca > For additional commands, e-mail: doggiebox-help(a)lists.zygoat.ca > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Another drum kit added
by Ben Kennedy 23 May '03

23 May '03

Hey all, Pleased to say that another drum kit is now up in the library; new user Ian Cook sent it in today; here's how he described it: >I've put together a drum kit using samples from our drummer >They are untreated, I'm happy with most of the sounds, getting the >open-closed hihats seem a bit tricky though >Anyway thought you might like to add it to your online library enjoy! (BTW, if there are any late problems with the 1A14 build, let me know within the next few hours -- will plan on posting 1.0.3 final by the end of the day.) -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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