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Re: [doggiebox] Doggiebox and other instruments
by Michael Carlyle 22 May '03

22 May '03

On Thu, 22 May 2003 12:40:43 -0400 "Patrick O'Donoghue" <pdiddyod(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >OK, that makes sense. >So, how do you connect the 424 to your digital world? >That is, what kind of cables do you use, and which >outputs/inputs on the 424 side and on the digital >side....? (I'm still on the new side of this, so please >feel free to be very literal and basic!) I use a rather inexpensive cable that has a 1/8" stereo mini plug at one end, and a pair of RCA plugs at the other end. At the RCA end of the cable, I use an adapter that converts them into a TRS plug (Tip Ring Sleeve- a kind of 1/4" stereo jack). This TRS plug goes into the input for tracks 5/6 on the 424. This accepts TRS, and the level control here is a single knob that operates on both tracks. I'm pretty sure that there is a TRS to stereo mini plug cable available somewhere, but I had all these things laying around and just decided to hook up this way one day. I get a level at the 424 first, using it's LED meters. Once all looks good, I'll adjust the levels at the Mac if needed. The OSX sound panel is pretty good in that it lets you adjust to a numeric value in db's that can let you hit the proper level each time. I've got the number written down somwhere. > >>From: "Michael Carlyle" <mcarlyle(a)charter.net> >>To: "Patrick O'Donoghue" <pdiddyod(a)hotmail.com>, >>doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca >>Subject: Re: [doggiebox] Doggiebox and other instruments >>Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:35:47 -0400 >> >>On Thu, 22 May 2003 10:15:55 -0400 >> "Patrick O'Donoghue" <pdiddyod(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>Your stuff sounds good. >> >>Thanks. >>> >>>I want to ask you, what is the advantage of routing >>>through the 424? >>>I have a 424 I'd like to make use of, but I wasn't sure >>>how I'd best take advantage ofit before sending the >>>signal into my G4.... >> >>Well, for me it's like an interface between the digital >>and analog worlds. The 424 has a slew of 1/4" inputs, >>plus the 1/4" phone jack that I use for monitoring. With >>Cubase, I find it best to monitor in the analog domain, >>meaning I don't bother listening to the recorded material >>"as it's being recorded". I monitor the already recorded >>tracks on playback, routed through the 424, and the live >>material through the 424 directly. >> >>Monitoring during tracking using Cubase alone results in >>latency that is a multiple of your disk cache. This tip >>is in the manual, and I found it to be a good one. > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > <TEXTAREA NAME="Signature" ROWS="4" COLS="60"><TEXTAREA NAME="Signature" ROWS="4" COLS="60"><TEXTAREA NAME="Signature" ROWS="4" COLS="60">

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Re: [doggiebox] Doggiebox and other instruments
by Carl Freire 22 May '03

22 May '03

At 11:25 AM -0500 5/22/03, Count Rockula wrote: > I'm a Pro Tools user, and I asked the Pro Tools user forum about Doggie Box. > I've not yet even tried to mess with it. But plan to. Anyway, there were few > who knew about it, and a couple that did passed it off as very poor program > that can't get the job done in a professional manner. I haven't seen this > for myself. I don't know what their standards are though. It all sounds > WONDERFUL in concept. Oh, don't get me wrong, it's a great deal--a pretty powerful digital 8-track program for FREE. I guess lots of professional audio folk swear by the commercial version these days, though whether that is a good thing or bad thing is a subject to much debate (analog vs. digital, keep it plain vs. endless mixdown tweaking, etc.). My complaint--the only one so far, anyway--is that when I want to use it, I have to first go through The Procedure. To get started with my Fostex, I plug my microphone in and turn the power on. To use ProTools, I have to open the Memory panel and change all the settings. Then I have to wait while the system reboots, not forgetting that I also have to use a special startup set of extensions and control panels. Then, once the system is up, I have to tinker with the Sound panel when it comes on to readjust the default audio input levels. Then I can boot ProTools. And then when I'm done, I have to undo things so I can use my computer again for the other things in life. I know it's not a lot to do from a certain perspective, but when compared to "turn power on," it's a pain in the butt. Of course, I know also that once you've made the mental adjustment to The Procedure, it no longer seems to be such a pain. But I'm not there yet. FWIW. Carl -- ********** Carl Freire Oakland, California cfreire(a)ix.netcom.com cfreire(a)uclink4.berkeley.edu

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Midi Import
by Mikhael 22 May '03

22 May '03

I know this question has probably already been asked, but does Doggiebox support Midi Import of drum tracks? Thanks, Mike

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Re: [doggiebox] Doggiebox and other instruments
by Patrick O'Donoghue 22 May '03

22 May '03

Your stuff sounds good. I want to ask you, what is the advantage of routing through the 424? I have a 424 I'd like to make use of, but I wasn't sure how I'd best take advantage ofit before sending the signal into my G4.... Thanks, -Patrick PowerbookG4/667/512RAM PT 6.0/Mbox/OS X Condenser mic. for vocals/Sansamp box for guitar tele/strat/acoustic >From: "Michael Carlyle" <mcarlyle(a)charter.net> >To: doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca >Subject: Re: [doggiebox] Doggiebox and other instruments >Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 08:13:56 -0400 > >The sample songs on the site were a couple that I had sent along to Ben, >just for kicks. He liked them and posted them, after checking with me, of >course. > >They were recorded using Cubase SX on a G4. The Doggiebox audio files were >exported as 32bit float AIFF's, but any AIFF format would work, really. I >imported these tracks as a single stereo track into Cubase. The guitar >parts on the first demo were done with my 50's Classic Tele through a Tech >21 Trademark 10 piped directly into a Tascam 424, which I used as a sort of >interface between the digital and analog worlds. The Tascam was routed >stereo in to the G4, where Cubase picks up the tracks and lays 'em down. > >The bass was recorded pretty much direct. It's a '62 RI Fender Jazz routed >through a compressor and then into the Tascam, etc. > >The drum tracks were left fairly dry. I added some overall compression and >a bit of stereo reverb to the mix when creating the disk file. I mixed to >AIFF, then used iTunes to convert to mp3. > >On Wed, 21 May 2003 21:01:35 -0700 > Carl Freire <cfreire(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>Hi Michael: >> >>At 11:11 AM +1000 5/22/03, Michael Garrett wrote: >>>Warning: I've just joined this mailing list and I'm sure this >>>question has been asked before... >> >>I haven't been on it too long myself so I don't know what's gone before, >>say, a month ago or so. >> >>>How are other people recording bass/guitar/vocals when they are using >>>Doggiebox? The example mp3 songs on the web site are great. I'm >><snip> >> >>Well, I've done a little bit, making demos of my songs for my band. I >>convert my drum track to an .aiff file and then either play out into my >>Fostex four-track or the ProTools Free eight-track I downloaded some time >>back from the manufacturer. It's been very nice and sounds pretty good. >>Hope to tinker some more with this over the next few months--I finally >>figured out how to do some simple fills, which makes a big difference! >>Plus, it's easier for me to work to an "actual" drum backing rather than >>play off of a click track. >> >>FWIW. >> >>Carl >>-- >> >>********** >> >>Carl Freire >>Oakland, California >>cfreire(a)ix.netcom.com >>cfreire(a)uclink4.berkeley.edu >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - http://www.doggiebox.com >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: doggiebox-unsubscribe(a)lists.zygoat.ca >> For additional commands, e-mail: doggiebox-help(a)lists.zygoat.ca >> > ><TEXTAREA NAME="Signature" ROWS="4" COLS="60"><TEXTAREA NAME="Signature" >ROWS="4" COLS="60"><TEXTAREA NAME="Signature" ROWS="4" COLS="60"> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - http://www.doggiebox.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: doggiebox-unsubscribe(a)lists.zygoat.ca > For additional commands, e-mail: doggiebox-help(a)lists.zygoat.ca > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: [doggiebox] New drum kits online
by Patrick O'Donoghue 22 May '03

22 May '03

That's great!! Thank you so much!! The sound is really thick & crisp! Really a nice addition!!! >From: "Ben Kennedy" <ben(a)zygoat.ca> >To: Doggiebox <doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca> >Subject: [doggiebox] New drum kits online >Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 18:32:20 -0400 > >Hey all, > >Per popular request I have finally been able to get the beginnings of the >Doggiebox file library online. Check it out at: > ><http://www.doggiebox.com/library/> > >There's not much there currently, aside from two new kits which I put >together this afternoon. Feel free to send in your contributions! > >Eventually, the plan is to set this up interactively so that Doggiebox >users can log in and upload/browse files automatically. > >-ben > > >-- >Ben Kennedy, chief magician >zygoat creative technical services >613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 >http://www.zygoat.ca > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - http://www.doggiebox.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: doggiebox-unsubscribe(a)lists.zygoat.ca > For additional commands, e-mail: doggiebox-help(a)lists.zygoat.ca > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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New drum kits online
by Ben Kennedy 21 May '03

21 May '03

Hey all, Per popular request I have finally been able to get the beginnings of the Doggiebox file library online. Check it out at: <http://www.doggiebox.com/library/> There's not much there currently, aside from two new kits which I put together this afternoon. Feel free to send in your contributions! Eventually, the plan is to set this up interactively so that Doggiebox users can log in and upload/browse files automatically. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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1.0.3 build 1A14 posted
by Ben Kennedy 20 May '03

20 May '03

Hi all, New in build 1A14 (20 May 2003): - Improvements to Undo support since 1A13. - File references, as saved in preferences and song files, are now stored using alias records instead of absolute paths. As a result, Doggiebox should be less prone to lose track of drum kits that have been moved or renamed. (Song file format has been updated with this build) <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1A14.sit> I have received feedback from only one person on the last build, so I'll assume that nobody is having any major problems =) Enjoy, -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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1.0.3 beta, featuring Undo!
by Ben Kennedy 14 May '03

14 May '03

Greetings all, I'm happy to announce that after a few weeks of silence, I've finally been able to get a couple of small but important long-awaited features implemented: Undo support, and an Erase tool! This should make basic editing considerably less annoying. Registered users may grab build 1A13 now at <http://www.doggiebox.com/ distribution/Doggiebox-1A13.sit> As described in the release notes: - Added Undo support for various editing operations (adding/removing drums; adding/removing bars within the song; changing bar properties). - Added new Erase functionality: hold the Option key while mousing over the pattern editor, and click (or drag) to immediately remove any drums beneath the cursor. Please report your experiences either to the mailing list or to me directly. Enjoy, -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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