Doggiebox February 2004

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by Tor Lillegraven 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

Hi First off - man, do I love my puppy :-) Doggiebox has become my #1 song arrangement tool. I use it as a drum machine, playing along on my guitar to figure out the internal logic and arrangements of my songs. Once I got everything figured out, I export the drum parts into my sequencer program (Digital Performer), and mix the Doggie tracks down to get a live feel to them. Then I proceed to lay down guitars, vocals and a bassline -- and presto! I have a demo ready to go. # 1 on my wishlist is definitely the abiity to export seperate parts of the drumkit. This would be such a great help to me. The snare needs different effects than the bassdrum, the cymbals need a different panning and some flanger, etc, etc. Implementing this feature would make it a prize-winning puppy for sure. This way I can give the drums that little "human" touch, by intentionally offsetting some snarehits, putting a lot of reverb on the bassdrum, finally getting the open hihat to sound alive... Is there any chance at all, Ben? Tor ***************************************************************** Denne fotnoten bekrefter at denne e-postmeldingen ble skannet av MailSweeper og funnet fri for virus. ***************************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MailSweeper for the presence of computer viruses. *****************************************************************

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instrument selection hotkeys
by Corey Knafelz 22 Feb '04

22 Feb '04

Ben, have you ever considered using keyboard shortcuts to select instruments? For instance, in Adobe products, you can press the letter V to select the Move tool, or M to select Marquee, etc. In Doggiebox, I could see this being very useful for quickly switching between commonly used instruments. B for bass drum, S for snare, H for high hat and so on... perhaps also using a modifier key (IE, shift + hotkey) to cycle through different versions of the same instrument. This might cut down on moving the mouse back and forth to the instrument drawer and the sequencing area to choose different sounds. Has this been suggested before? What are your thoughts? Thanks, Corey

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marquee tool discussed?
by Mike Listrom 20 Feb '04

20 Feb '04

I have not been able to play to in-depth with the new build, but have you all considered implementing a marquee tool, to allow the selection, duplication and deletion of various elements inside each phrase? This would be great considering I work much with compounded rhythms, and that would increase my productivity, and I think everyone else's as well!

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1B3 posted, increased usability
by Ben Kennedy 13 Feb '04

13 Feb '04

Hi folks, Grab the latest beta at <http://www.doggiebox.com/beta/Doggiebox-1B3.zip> What's new in 1B3 compared with last week's build: New drag and drop functionality: • Can re-arrange the order of sections by dragging them, in both the Section list and Layout list. • Can create new layout markers by dragging sections from the Section list into the Layout list. • Can change an existing marker's section by dragging a section from Section list onto one in the Layout list. Preferences dialog revamped: • Added a new preference for "begin new line at each section", which will create line breaks in the pattern editor for better visual navigation. • Default drum kit picker removed; instead, Doggiebox now automatically defaults to the most recently chosen kit. Miscellaneous changes: • Added support for cut, copy and paste of sections (within and between songs) to the Section list. • Cosmetic improvements to pattern editor. • Revised the scheme for trial mode (limitation is now 30 seconds total duration, instead of 64 bars). • Other minor bugs fixed. Note: Charlie Needle reported that double-clicking the tempo slider, while correctly resetting the tempo to 100%, does not cause the actual slider to move to that position. I can reproduce this under 10.2, but not 10.3. This appears to be an old AppKit issue that I spent some time playing with, but can't find an obvious work-around. Minor though, so it will probably stay. Enjoy! Comments, problem reports as usual. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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Re> Drum tabs
by E 09 Feb '04

09 Feb '04

Check out www.tabtrax.com. --E

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Drum tabs
by Sion Morris 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

I'm all for a database of drum patterns - I think that's Ben's intention on the DB website, and I'm sure it will grow steadily as there are more users. There's a similar kind of thing happening on the website for my guitar effects pedal: http://www.digitech.com/patchlib/ where users contribute guitar settings. A mix and match approach would be useful for me - maybe having a subsection of 'fills', 'basic beats' even 'drum solos'.. hm... perhraps not on that last one.... Anyway, It would be a good exersise for a drummer who knows his stuff to put together libraries that go together eg a rock library with sub folders contaning variations and fills/flourishes. I know this is done elsewhere with short samples of drum playing variations that you can sequence together to make a track. see: http://www.e-drummer.net///freeloops.html but the beauty of DB is the ability to tinker with it once its in and make it your own and as you say slap in a neat fill just at the right point.. I'd still like the ability to transcribe an actual song's tab. Its just so much more satisfying than a near approximation. Pub guitarist with a beat box vs authentic sound. Sion > I wanted to throw in my two cents.... > > I think that the TAB idea is a great one, but it seems that it might > require a whole new approach to interfacing the DB software. And > that's fine, (if Ben has time to invent it!). But also I understand, > as a guitar player, the desire to play along to certain kinds of drum > patterns, or maybe even to an exact drum pattern from a favorite song. > Maybe an approach would be to create a database of DB files of > specific songs created by users themselves. Generally, I'll create a > fairly simple & basic rock drum track that I can play along with. Then > after fine-tuning the song, I sometimes wish I had the time and/or > patience to create some meaningful fills, or drum transitions, etc., > that I could add on top of my basic drum pattern. If there was a bank > where someone uploaded their (DB) re-creation, say for example, of > Springsteen's "Backstreets" (drums only, of course) -- I would find > that invaluable!! I'd download it and play along...or maybe even > create my own song with that drum pattern. I realize it's essentially > a shared loop library, of sorts, albeit with longer and more specific > files, but I think it could really generate some creative movement > among the DB community. > > Just a thought..... > > -Patrick

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RE: [Doggiebox] Drum tabs
by Patrick O'Donoghue 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

I wanted to throw in my two cents.... I think that the TAB idea is a great one, but it seems that it might require a whole new approach to interfacing the DB software. And that's fine, (if Ben has time to invent it!). But also I understand, as a guitar player, the desire to play along to certain kinds of drum patterns, or maybe even to an exact drum pattern from a favorite song. Maybe an approach would be to create a database of DB files of specific songs created by users themselves. Generally, I'll create a fairly simple & basic rock drum track that I can play along with. Then after fine-tuning the song, I sometimes wish I had the time and/or patience to create some meaningful fills, or drum transitions, etc., that I could add on top of my basic drum pattern. If there was a bank where someone uploaded their (DB) re-creation, say for example, of Springsteen's "Backstreets" (drums only, of course) -- I would find that invaluable!! I'd download it and play along...or maybe even create my own song with that drum pattern. I realize it's essentially a shared loop library, of sorts, albeit with longer and more specific files, but I think it could really generate some creative movement among the DB community. Just a thought..... -Patrick ----Original Message Follows---- From: Sion Morris <sionwm(a)cinnamondesign.co.uk> To: doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca Subject: [Doggiebox] Drum tabs Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 09:23:00 +0000 Hi Mike Yeah - I've had a look at Guitar Tab, which is great for composing or transcribing ascii to chords etc. What I would like to do though is to take a piece of ascii data and transcribe it to a doggiebox db so that I can play guitar along to it or muck about with the patterns. Its just that there are thousands of songs drum tabs already transcribed in ascii and thats likely to continue no matter how popular db gets. In short: I think of a song which I'd like to learn; I find the drum tab on the net; I copy/paste it into doggiebox and play. Then I can play guitar along to an accurate drum track for the song. (having also got the guitar tab from he net). I can do this at the moment, but it means manually transcribing the drum which is a pain, although much less so with the new sections. .. I see what you're saying about the internal midi, which is a good idea `I must say, but Its a second best option compared with the realistic sound you get from DB plus it would be better if you wanted to record your efforts at the end of the day. Also, Ive just thought, If this were possible, many many songs woulb be transcribed ad shared by all of us users increasing the doggiebox library of db tab resources. Cheers Sion >There's a Mac application called Guitar Tab that has the ability to read >and >write ASCII files as tab. In other words, when you use the program to >compose or transcribe your tab, you can export it as ASCII. Likewise, you >can import ASCII files and play them with your system's built in MIDI >instruments. > >Is this the kind of thing you guys are talking about? How is sharing >tablature easier than sharing song files? I must be missing something. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> _________________________________________________________________ Get some great ideas here for your sweetheart on Valentine's Day - and beyond. http://special.msn.com/network/celebrateromance.armx

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Drum tabs
by Sion Morris 07 Feb '04

07 Feb '04

Hi Mike Yeah - I've had a look at Guitar Tab, which is great for composing or transcribing ascii to chords etc. What I would like to do though is to take a piece of ascii data and transcribe it to a doggiebox db so that I can play guitar along to it or muck about with the patterns. Its just that there are thousands of songs drum tabs already transcribed in ascii and thats likely to continue no matter how popular db gets. In short: I think of a song which I'd like to learn; I find the drum tab on the net; I copy/paste it into doggiebox and play. Then I can play guitar along to an accurate drum track for the song. (having also got the guitar tab from he net). I can do this at the moment, but it means manually transcribing the drum which is a pain, although much less so with the new sections. .. I see what you're saying about the internal midi, which is a good idea `I must say, but Its a second best option compared with the realistic sound you get from DB plus it would be better if you wanted to record your efforts at the end of the day. Also, Ive just thought, If this were possible, many many songs woulb be transcribed ad shared by all of us users increasing the doggiebox library of db tab resources. Cheers Sion > There's a Mac application called Guitar Tab that has the ability to > read and > write ASCII files as tab. In other words, when you use the program to > compose or transcribe your tab, you can export it as ASCII. Likewise, > you > can import ASCII files and play them with your system's built in MIDI > instruments. > > Is this the kind of thing you guys are talking about? How is sharing > tablature easier than sharing song files? I must be missing something.

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Drum tabs
by Sion Morris 06 Feb '04

06 Feb '04

Hi Ben I've noticed that a lot of tabs use a 16 measure like the following though: |----o-o-----o---| although I grant that it would be a nightmare to create a 'works every time' feature that would work in a general way, due to the variation in time sigs and especially the different instruments tabbed on each line. but... Would it be possible though to program Doggiebox to understand a line pasted such as the example above as a drum hit for every 'o' or 'x' and a gap for every '-' and ignore '|'? Perhaps you could specify these in preferences to take into account the variation. I see it working best by pasting an instrument line at a time - that way you could control which instrument is pasted to in Doggiebox. It opens up some interesting artistic possibilities - pasting one instrument into another's and pasting the same tab into different expansions of doggiebox windows to create new rhythms (or a terrible din) What do you think? feasible? I'm sure even a hit and miss function like this would be a big hit with those of us who have bleeding eyes from manually tabbing :) Second build works for me now. Big improvement. I really love the sections idea. It was a real pain having to listen to the whole song just to hear an alteration at the end - now its a breeze. > Cool ideas. > > Somebody had raised the drum tab one awhile ago. The challenge will be > making it work in a general way, since there is no "tab standard". > > Also, the MIDI in/out thing is definitely on the list... I wish I had > more brains and hands to work at once. ;) > > -ben

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1B2 now posted
by Ben Kennedy 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

Hi folks, Grab it here: <http://www.doggiebox.com/beta/Doggiebox-1B2.zip> Notes for 1B1 (05 Feb 2004): If you previously used build 1B1 from last week, you must reset some stored preferences before running this build. You can achieve this by opening your prefs file (~/Library/Preferences/ca.zygoat.doggiebox.plist) and removing the keys whose names begin with "NSTableView". Or, more simply, just delete the file completely (though doing so will reset all your Doggiebox preferences). New features: • "Number of times" (repeats) paramater added to the Layout table, per popular demand. • Improved experience when adding or removing new sections or markers. • Keyboard shortcuts and menu commands have been added for these functions. • Changes to the master tempo and master level sliders are now Undoable. Other changes: • The Pattern menu has been renamed to Song. • The master tempo slider can now be reset to 100% by double-clicking it. • Various other bug fixes and minor improvements have been made. Enjoy! Comments, problem reports as usual. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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