Doggiebox February 2004

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Fwd: [Doggiebox] Drum tabs
by Randy Bowler 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

From: Randy Bowler <rbowler(a)apple.com> Date: February 4, 2004 8:30:58 PM EST To: Ben Kennedy <ben(a)zygoat.ca> Cc: Doggiebox List(s) <doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca> Subject: Re: [Doggiebox] Drum tabs HI Ben, Lots of good suggestions coming out. How about one more. Have you seen Dent du Midi. http://homepage.mac.com/beryrinaldo/ddm/ Takes midi files and converts to aiffs that can be pulled into GarageBand. Great little tool! The drum tracks are separated into distinct tracks, so you also gain pan, volume etc in GarageBand. If you are heading down the midi trail you may have a look at how he is doing this. Add this feature to DoggieBox as well and voila... a drum sequencer for GarageBand. Another great application if I do say so myself. (Plug) Much requested among the GarageBand crowd. My 2 cents. Take care, Randy On Feb 4, 2004, at 5:43 PM, Ben Kennedy wrote: > Cool ideas. > > Somebody had raised the drum tab one awhile ago. The challenge will be > making it work in a general way, since there is no "tab standard". > > Also, the MIDI in/out thing is definitely on the list... I wish I had > more brains and hands to work at once. ;) > > -ben > > > On 04 2 2004 at 4:08 am -0500, Sion Morris wrote: > >> Hi Ben >> >> Like the new improvements a lot especially the sections idea - that's >> just what was needed, although I have the same bug problem of not >> being >> able to select any drums yet - can't wait for the next build though! >> >> Anyway just wanted to throw in what would be on my wish list in the >> pot. I'm no developer, so I've no idea how easy or hard it would be, >> but I would like to be able to import an ascii drum tab file - as is >> commonly posted on drum tab sites into Doggiebox. It would be a great >> feature to sell to bedroom guitarists like me who like to cover our >> favorite songs quickly. imagine thinking of a song you'd like to play, >> doing a quick search for the guitar and drum tab on the net, importing >> the tab into DB - you could then . in a matter of minutes set about >> mastering the song to the exact drum track. That would makelearning a >> lot easier and speed up the process no end. I imagine in time there >> would be a large library of Doggiebox dbs, but I also like the idea of >> poaching bits from here and there to come up with new tracks. >> >> From a users point of view, maybe a cut and paste type of function >> where you could say select a snare line of ascii (say from your >> internet browser), copy it, move to DB, highlight the snare line (or >> even another instrument), paste and Hey Presto! What do you think? >> Impossible?? >> >> It just seems to me that there is just a lot of information out there >> as tabbed tracks and it would be a cool thing to be able to do - like >> being able to open midi files in a midi editor. While I'm at it, that >> would be a cool thing too - to open a midi drum track in doggiebox. >> I'm pushing it now aren't I? >> >> Keep up the good work >> >> Cheers >> >> Sion >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> >> To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: >> <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> > > -- > Ben Kennedy, chief magician > zygoat creative technical services > 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 > http://www.zygoat.ca > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> > To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: > <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> > > ........................................................................ .......................................................... Randy Bowler rbowler(a)apple.com Systems Engineer / Conseiller en technologie cell: (613) 863-7853 Apple Canada Inc. tel: (613) 751-6600 255 Albert Street, Suite 500 fax: (613) 751-6652 Ottawa (Ontario) K1P 6A9 www.apple.ca ........................................................................ .......................................................... t h i n k d i f f e r e n t  a p p l e c o m p u t e r

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Re: Re: [Doggiebox] Drum tabs
by dpwalsh6＠cox.net 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

any more thought to keyboard mapping? so one could just tap out a kick snare hat beat to rock with? seems like this has fallen off the map. it's what got me to buy doggiebox in the first place. well... it was in the things to come when i looked at DB before i purchased. new tweeks are pretty sweet tho. dpw ============================================ ================ From: "Ben Kennedy" <ben(a)zygoat.ca> Date: 2004/02/04 Wed PM 05:43:37 EST To: "Doggiebox List(s)" <doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca> Subject: Re: [Doggiebox] Drum tabs Cool ideas. Somebody had raised the drum tab one awhile ago. The challenge will be making it work in a general way, since there is no "tab standard". Also, the MIDI in/out thing is definitely on the list... I wish I had more brains and hands to work at once. ;) -ben On 04 2 2004 at 4:08 am -0500, Sion Morris wrote: >Hi Ben > >Like the new improvements a lot especially the sections idea - that's >just what was needed, although I have the same bug problem of not being >able to select any drums yet - can't wait for the next build though! > >Anyway just wanted to throw in what would be on my wish list in the >pot. I'm no developer, so I've no idea how easy or hard it would be, >but I would like to be able to import an ascii drum tab file - as is >commonly posted on drum tab sites into Doggiebox. It would be a great >feature to sell to bedroom guitarists like me who like to cover our >favorite songs quickly. imagine thinking of a song you'd like to play, >doing a quick search for the guitar and drum tab on the net, importing >the tab into DB - you could then . in a matter of minutes set about >mastering the song to the exact drum track. That would makelearning a >lot easier and speed up the process no end. I imagine in time there >would be a large library of Doggiebox dbs, but I also like the idea of >poaching bits from here and there to come up with new tracks. > > From a users point of view, maybe a cut and paste type of function >where you could say select a snare line of ascii (say from your >internet browser), copy it, move to DB, highlight the snare line (or >even another instrument), paste and Hey Presto! What do you think? >Impossible?? > >It just seems to me that there is just a lot of information out there >as tabbed tracks and it would be a cool thing to be able to do - like >being able to open midi files in a midi editor. While I'm at it, that >would be a cool thing too - to open a midi drum track in doggiebox. >I'm pushing it now aren't I? > >Keep up the good work > >Cheers > >Sion > >------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- > Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> > To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: > <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> ============================================ ================

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Drum tabs
by Sion Morris 04 Feb '04

04 Feb '04

Hi Ben Like the new improvements a lot especially the sections idea - that's just what was needed, although I have the same bug problem of not being able to select any drums yet - can't wait for the next build though! Anyway just wanted to throw in what would be on my wish list in the pot. I'm no developer, so I've no idea how easy or hard it would be, but I would like to be able to import an ascii drum tab file - as is commonly posted on drum tab sites into Doggiebox. It would be a great feature to sell to bedroom guitarists like me who like to cover our favorite songs quickly. imagine thinking of a song you'd like to play, doing a quick search for the guitar and drum tab on the net, importing the tab into DB - you could then . in a matter of minutes set about mastering the song to the exact drum track. That would makelearning a lot easier and speed up the process no end. I imagine in time there would be a large library of Doggiebox dbs, but I also like the idea of poaching bits from here and there to come up with new tracks. From a users point of view, maybe a cut and paste type of function where you could say select a snare line of ascii (say from your internet browser), copy it, move to DB, highlight the snare line (or even another instrument), paste and Hey Presto! What do you think? Impossible?? It just seems to me that there is just a lot of information out there as tabbed tracks and it would be a cool thing to be able to do - like being able to open midi files in a midi editor. While I'm at it, that would be a cool thing too - to open a midi drum track in doggiebox. I'm pushing it now aren't I? Keep up the good work Cheers Sion

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Re: [Doggiebox] 1.1 pre-release (1B1)
by Ben Kennedy 03 Feb '04

03 Feb '04

On 03 2 2004 at 7:04 am -0500, Charlie Needle wrote: >Gotch ya - another suggestion - it might be better when you add a >Section, the Name is ready for input, so you can create a new section >and just start typing its name - Good suggestion; done. >also having a keyboard short cut >(apple - something) would speed up the process. Also a good idea; now you can hit return when the list has input focus to begin editing the current name. >Also, by default when you add a Section, have this mirrored in the >Layout section. (and make the description the same as the Section Name) >- This may not suit all, but if not, you're no worse off. I found I >created a Section - named it Intro, then selected it in the Layout area >- then re-named that description to Intro. Ok, new sections added to the layout list now default to having the same name as the section instead of "unnamed". I hesitate to have markers (i.e. sections in the layout list) created automatically for any new sections, because this may not always be what the user wants. E.g. workflow might be to create a bunch of sections, then lay out the song later, without a 1-to-1 linear correspondence. Furthermore, once you create a section, you need only click once to create a corresponding marker in the layout list anyhow. >Better would be hit apple -key (adds a section - type name - hit >return, this turns the focus to the song area ready for an Apple i to >insert some bars. The Layout has the new section already included and >named. Talking of Apple-keys, I've added key equivalents for these now (cmd-opt- N and cmd-opt-M respectively), along with menu commands to the Pattern menu. Alternative suggestions are welcome. I think we will need to either rename the Pattern menu or split it off into a Song menu also, before too long... >- previously you could see Verse 1 started at bar 15 and went to bar >34. The new system showing duration is better - just needed me to get >my head around it. To compromise I've changed it to appear like it does in the section list -- showing the first bar number, then the cue time in parenthesis beside it. This is great feedback, thanks! -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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1.1 pre-release (1B1)
by Ben Kennedy 03 Feb '04

03 Feb '04

Hi all, I figured it's about time to let you get your hands on what will become the next release of Doggiebox. Things are still evolving, but a bunch of the under-the-hood reworking which was holding things up is now at the point where things are usable again. Here are the notes: • Mac OS X 10.2.x is now required, and 10.3.x is recommended. • The file format for both .dbsong and .dbkit has changed since 1.0.x. Files saved in this and later versions of Doggiebox will NOT be usable by Doggiebox 1.0.x. (However, the new file format has been devised to afford greater backward-compatibility from this point on.) • A much-awaited, new and improved section-and-layout song structuring model makes its debut. Hopefully its behaviour is (or will become) fairly self-explanatory, so no extensive notes are provided this time around. See if you can figure it out, and please provide feedback. • The song editor window has been redesigned for better usability: a) the drum kit drawer has been moved into the main window and is much larger; b) the song name, details and kit are no longer accessed via a separate dialog sheet. • There are some minor bugs and incomplete features in this build which will be addressed shortly, including, but probably not limited to: a) inconsistent Undo behaviour for some actions; b) lack of ability to re- arrange song sections by dragging them in the lists. Grab it here: <http://www.doggiebox.com/beta/Doggiebox-1B1.zip> Please report any feedback, including bug reports, usability notes and improvement suggetions, either here to the list or directly to me. Have a good weekend all, -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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