August 2004 - Doggiebox - lists.zygoat.ca

Re: Rev Rat's drum kits
by Dan Costello 28 Aug '04

28 Aug '04

I like the idea of both loose samples and packaged kits, too. The biggest problem with only offering loose samples is this: unless some way exists to indicate exactly how each sample was recorded and is supposed to fit, one would most likely cobble together a very inconsistent and unrealistic kit. While occasionally this could make for an interesting effect, so far I like the kits made of sounds that were all recorded the same way. Any time I try to patch together a kit (say, borrow a couple toms from one kit to flesh out another kit) it just doesn't sound right. It's not just the difference in the acoustic sound of the drums-- it's the difference in the mics, mic placement, preamps, effects during recording (like any eq, comp, etc.), the room they're in, the medium to which they're recorded... too many variables. If your kits are consistent, realistic, and complete, I'd be interested. But unless the kits you sold offered significantly more flexibility and usability (not just "wow man, look how many samples THIS one has!" but actually useful sounds) than those kits that already exist, I personally couldn't justify spending the money. Best of luck with the project! If I think of any other suggestions, I'll submit them. Dan

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New Doggiebox Drum Kits- Feedback Please?
by Michael Dolan 28 Aug '04

28 Aug '04

I am about to begin work on a massive drum kit project, and wanted some feedback. I am essentially planning on selling several ready to use DB kits. I would also be posting smaller freeware versions of the same kits. Here are the basics: Each kit will consist of over 100 high quality original samples played by a professional and recorded as CD quality or better AIFF files. This means about 8-16 drums, cymbals, and toys at multiple volume levels. Freeware versions would use around 20-25 of the same samples. (most kits in the current DB library have between 15 and 35 samples) Kits will be fully assembled, ready to use .dbkit format with embedded samples and will include a PDF with pictures and descriptions of the instruments being played, and around a dozen sample rhythms representative of the included instruments. This is what we're planning so far, subject to change: Rock Kit: Snare (This for example will have Hit- 8 volume levels, Rimshot- 4 levels, Rim Edge- 2 levels), Popcorn Snare, Kick, 3 toms, Crash/Ride, Thin Crash, Med Crash, China, Splash, Cowbell, Sticks Jazz Kit: Brush hits on Snare (including drag and extra levels of volume), Kick, 3 Toms, Ride, 2 Crash Freeware version will just be the snare- about 20 different kinds of hits. Latin Percussion Kit: 4 Congas, 2 Bongos, High and Low Timbale, Maracas, Cabaca, Guiro, Cowbell, 3 Woodblocks, Clave, Vibraslap. Freeware version will have 2 Congas, Maraca, Cowbell, and Clave. African Percussion Kit: 12" and 14" Djembes, 3 Djundjun, 2 bells, and a pair of metal shakers The single Djembe will still be freeware. Junkyard Kit: A huge (200-300 samples) kit of various and sundry bits of wood, metal, and plastic being struck by other bits of wood, metal, and plastic. Think Stomp, or cutting-edge industrial stuff. Misc. Percussion Kit Various percussion items that we're still deciding on. Rest assured, this has been cleared with Ben, and he gave it a thumbs up, although we still have details to work out. Any feedback you could give me would be appreciated. What else would you like to see incorporated into the above? How much would you pay for these kits individually or a set? Would you rather see a download or CDs? What other sorts of kits would you like to see? Any other ideas.....? -Mike Dolan, The Reverend Rat

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Help with nskit_v7
by Deny Bisson 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

I downloaded the nskit_v7 and the 1C10 build from DB website and downloaded and place the .wav files from NS website in the 1C10 build folder and I can't open the drum kit in DB. What should I do to use it? Thanks for your help. Deny

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Re: [Doggiebox] ns_kit 7 dbkit now up
by Carl Edlund Anderson 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

Mike Carlyle wrote: > If I'm not mistaken, a user is > prompted to locate the files anyway, so it doesn't really matter where > they are. Ben, please correct me if this is not true. A conversion from > linked to embedded samples should make the kit rather portable, but it Oh, fair enough! And, yeah, DB had no problem searching for my local copy of the ns_kit7 wavs and hooked up easily. I was just thinking about this since I had at some point moved some of my own local folders for dbkits and dbsongs that seem to be different that what the default expectation is, and was thinking of putting them back where they "belong" and then making a Doggiebox/Samples folder that would hold ns_kit and various other things. > The font I used was Myriad Bold, sized appropriately to the specific > graphic. Ah! I spent an hour or so before work this morning playing around with Photoshop trying to get some icons for the ns_kit7 8" splash that were based on your splash icons for ns_kit6 and and seem to be getting better and more harmonious results now. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/

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doggie-demos
by Tor Lillegraven 25 Aug '04

25 Aug '04

Well, here are some puppies that I have made using Doggiebox over that least year or so... feel free to chastise or spank me with a newspaper;-) http://www.mementor.net/lyd/eye_to_eye.mp3 http://www.mementor.net/lyd/seasick.mp3 http://www.mementor.net/lyd/love.mp3 also: has anyone tried actually recording real drums on top of a song with doggie-drums? i guess thats the next step for me, but i dunno if its really worth the trouble for just a demo.... vocals are due next week, better focus on that. tor p.s: is it possible to combine two drum sets? lets say i want to use the snares off the Ludwig set for the Hemberger kit? >>> Carl Edlund Anderson <cea(a)carlaz.com> 25.08.04 12:45 >>> I look forward to messing with this when I've got a launching version of DB again. Are any of the other recent betas still online? I think I tried to download 1C7 but it wasn't there .... Otherwise I should probably go back and download the last standard release just to be carrying on with until the next beta comes along. Mike Carlyle wrote: > http://webpages.charter.net/mcarlyle/alive_basictracks.mp3 > Note also that I pushed the tempo from 120 to 124 bpm when jumping into > what will become the chorus part. This really adds some humanization in > my opinion. When I first mapped out this song, I did it on real drums. > When listening to tapes, I sped up quit a bit when it came to this same > part. Yeah, I tried that on one of my DB-based pieces ("Thunderbird"), though I only pushed the tempo to 122 on the choruses, I think. I also had a "speed up" and "slow down" measures of 121 at the beginnings and end of verse segments to keep that transition smoother. I think it sounds pretty cool. Also, my current version of "Afterburner" _doesn't_ use this kind of technique (since I assembled it in a real hurry!) and I think the feel of the drums suffers a bit for it. So it's a good trick :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> ***************************************************************** Denne fotnoten bekrefter at denne e-postmeldingen ble skannet av MailSweeper og funnet fri for virus. ***************************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MailSweeper for the presence of computer viruses. *****************************************************************

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SV: [Doggiebox] Re: doggie-demos
by Tor Lillegraven 25 Aug '04

25 Aug '04

hmmm...well, see -- i HAVE done it before, but ill be damned if i can remember how... hmmm.... damned if i do and damned if i dont, i suppose... can you walk me through it? How do i "extract" the drums? cut and paste? i cant seem to load sound into the drum kit overview panel... Tormented >>> Carl Edlund Anderson <cea(a)carlaz.com> 25.08.04 13:05 >>> Tor Lillegraven wrote: > p.s: is it possible to combine two drum sets? lets say i want to use the > snares off the Ludwig set for the Hemberger kit? Sure. You extract the sounds from the dbkit you wanted (in the dbkit editor) and then import them into the other kit (in the dbkit editor). Save your modified version. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> ***************************************************************** Denne fotnoten bekrefter at denne e-postmeldingen ble skannet av MailSweeper og funnet fri for virus. ***************************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MailSweeper for the presence of computer viruses. *****************************************************************

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Re: doggie-demos
by Carl Edlund Anderson 25 Aug '04

25 Aug '04

Tor Lillegraven wrote: > p.s: is it possible to combine two drum sets? lets say i want to use the > snares off the Ludwig set for the Hemberger kit? Sure. You extract the sounds from the dbkit you wanted (in the dbkit editor) and then import them into the other kit (in the dbkit editor). Save your modified version. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/

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SV: [Doggiebox] Er... Is there a way to export mono?
by Tor Lillegraven 24 Aug '04

24 Aug '04

Um...maybe its just me, but I always though that was what the "mono" button in the down right corner was for? Have I been duped? I`m outraged! Tor "Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it." >>> Christoph <hermiteer(a)itsallconnected.com> 20.08.04 5:50 >>> Outside of course of moving the balancing of all samples to one side? Anyone? Bueller? Cheers, Christoph ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> ***************************************************************** Denne fotnoten bekrefter at denne e-postmeldingen ble skannet av MailSweeper og funnet fri for virus. ***************************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MailSweeper for the presence of computer viruses. *****************************************************************

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Default kit for new dbsong?
by Dan Costello 24 Aug '04

24 Aug '04

Hey Ben (et al): Is there any way to change the default kit (or simply NOT HAVE a default kit defined) for a new dbsong? I find nowhere in the preferences to adjust this. My idea for this is sort of like a web browser-- you can either have a new window open up with a default home page, or as a user-defined home page, or as a prompt asking what location (or in this case, what kit) you want to start with. Thanks-- Dan

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Re: Re: SV: [Doggiebox] Er... Is there a way to export mono?
by mcarlyle＠charter.net 23 Aug '04

23 Aug '04

How about a small, stylized pair of headphones? > > From: Carl Edlund Anderson <cea(a)carlaz.com> > Date: 2004/08/23 Mon PM 12:30:23 EDT > To: Doggiebox List <doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca> > Subject: Re: SV: [Doggiebox] Er... Is there a way to export mono? > > Ben Kennedy wrote: > > On 23 8 2004 at 5:00 am -0400, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >>This is silly, but: a little circle with a picture of an ear, diagonal > >>red line across it ;) > > > > That would be great for "mute", but I don't think it conveys a > > distinction between stereo vs. mono. :) > > Argh, why was I thinking mute!? I've lost the original mail. > > But for mono, we clearly need a picture of _2_ ears, one of which is > crossed out :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> > To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: > <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> >

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