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Re: SV: [Doggiebox] Er... Is there a way to export mono?
by Tor Lillegraven 23 Aug '04

23 Aug '04

Hey, how about just writing "mute" on the button? i mean, that should be pretty clear to everyone... no, wait... erhh.. we tried that already....never mind ;-) Tor >>> "Ben Kennedy" <ben(a)zygoat.ca> 23.08.2004 18:22:18 >>> On 23 8 2004 at 5:00 am -0400, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >This is silly, but: a little circle with a picture of an ear, diagonal >red line across it ;) That would be great for "mute", but I don't think it conveys a distinction between stereo vs. mono. :) -b -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> ***************************************************************** Denne fotnoten bekrefter at denne e-postmeldingen ble skannet av MailSweeper og funnet fri for virus. ***************************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MailSweeper for the presence of computer viruses. *****************************************************************

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Linking vs. Embedding
by Mike Carlyle 21 Aug '04

21 Aug '04

I'm finally getting around to playing with the new nskit sounds from the version 7 files. It's going very well, and I am really liking some of the new cymbals and snare treatments. This could be my favorite kit yet, once I'm done. I just noticed that there is a choice of linking vs. embedding the files. Was this a nod toward the "recipe" building method of kit distribution? I can't think of a good reason to link my sound files here on my home machine. A great aid towards recipe building might be the ability to "export drum list". In other words, a delimited text file that shows the table in the kit builder window could be useful for communicating recipes to others, as well as serving as an aid to building icons from scratch. I find that I have to refer back to the window in the kit builder constantly. It would be great to be able to just print out a list of drums and variants, including pan, volume, and position settings. It would also be a great tool for checking that your pans and volumes match among like drums. I'm wrestling with actual production of music vs. building and documenting my new kit and building it's icons. If I get time, I'd like to take a crack at recipe building. I envision a spreadsheet style list, with annotations and instructions.

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hi hat muting behavior
by Mike Carlyle 21 Aug '04

21 Aug '04

Has there been a change in the hi hat muting? I notice there is a check box to "interrupt other variants of same type". Would this serve as the choke cue and should I use it instead of typing the word 'mute' after all but the default hi hat variant. I feel like I may have missed something here.

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Re: SV: Re: [Doggiebox] Re: new build problems?
by Ben Kennedy 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

Ok, bizarre. I downloaded the archive onto my ibook and tried unzipping by double-clicking, and I am getting the same "file exists" message. I'm at a loss as to what that means. However, if I open up a terminal window, cd to ~/Desktop and then do a "unzip Doggiebox-1C9.zip", it seems to unzip without incident. I've just tried re-zipping and the file ends up the same. I have also done a dump of the zipfile contents and compared with those of the 1C7 archive (which seems to unzip properly), and aside from the obvious differences in date/time and a couple modified files, there is nothing odd apparent. Very strange. StuffitExpander 8.0.2 appears to unzip the file properly, though. A couple people had reported problems with doggiebox not properly launching (after unzipping). If this still persists, can you please a) check your console.log while trying to launch doggiebox, and b) let me know? thanks, -ben On 19 8 2004 at 2:36 pm -0400, Tor Lillegraven wrote: >yeah, its not working for me either. its booting up, but it doesnt open. >i double click the icon, but there is no splash screen even... > >Tor > >>>> "Ben Kennedy" <ben(a)zygoat.ca> 19.08.04 19:27 >>> >On 19 8 2004 at 1:25 pm -0400, Dan Costello wrote: > >>Anyone else have trouble un-ZIP-ing the 1c9 build? I got an error 17, >>"file exists," when I tried to unzip it. Downloaded fine, 1.2 MB in >>size, I double-click it, and it starts looking like it's gonna open the > >>archive... and then boink, error 17 message. Any ideas? > >Weird. To where are you unzipping it, and how are you doing so? > >I've only tested on 10.3.5 so far (and I zipped it using the Finder >context menu option)... > >-b > >-- >Ben Kennedy, chief magician >zygoat creative technical services >613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 >http://www.zygoat.ca > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> > To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: > <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> > > >***************************************************************** >Denne fotnoten bekrefter at denne e-postmeldingen ble >skannet av MailSweeper og funnet fri for virus. >***************************************************************** >This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by >MailSweeper for the presence of computer viruses. >***************************************************************** > -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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Er... Is there a way to export mono?
by Christoph 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

Outside of course of moving the balancing of all samples to one side? Anyone? Bueller? Cheers, Christoph

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SV: Re: [Doggiebox] Re: new build problems?
by Tor Lillegraven 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

yeah, its not working for me either. its booting up, but it doesnt open. i double click the icon, but there is no splash screen even... Tor >>> "Ben Kennedy" <ben(a)zygoat.ca> 19.08.04 19:27 >>> On 19 8 2004 at 1:25 pm -0400, Dan Costello wrote: >Anyone else have trouble un-ZIP-ing the 1c9 build? I got an error 17, >"file exists," when I tried to unzip it. Downloaded fine, 1.2 MB in >size, I double-click it, and it starts looking like it's gonna open the >archive... and then boink, error 17 message. Any ideas? Weird. To where are you unzipping it, and how are you doing so? I've only tested on 10.3.5 so far (and I zipped it using the Finder context menu option)... -b -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> ***************************************************************** Denne fotnoten bekrefter at denne e-postmeldingen ble skannet av MailSweeper og funnet fri for virus. ***************************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MailSweeper for the presence of computer viruses. *****************************************************************

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Re: new build problems?
by Dan Costello 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

Anyone else have trouble un-ZIP-ing the 1c9 build? I got an error 17, "file exists," when I tried to unzip it. Downloaded fine, 1.2 MB in size, I double-click it, and it starts looking like it's gonna open the archive... and then boink, error 17 message. Any ideas? Thanks, Dan

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Playing around the beat.
by Sion Morris 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

I've a recording using the kit on my site if you want to check out: http://www.cinnamondesign.co.uk/music/music.html Its the second one down 'Bricking it' - Hommage to Pink Floyd! Cheers Sion Morris >> I'm a big fan of your Ludwig kit and have used nothing else since you >> posted it up - Its easily the most realistic sounding kit so-far. > > OK, I gotta confess that I haven't tried this baby, but I'm seeing so > many good things about it that I think I should! Downloading now > ..... (and the new DB build! Gotta check out the MIDI action :) > > Cheers, > Carl

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Playing around the beat.
by Sion Morris 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

Hi David I'm a big fan of your Ludwig kit and have used nothing else since you posted it up - Its easily the most realistic sounding kit so-far. I'm looking forward to the next build and have one item on my wish list. Could you do a left and right shake of the tambourine please? Its so you can essentially sound like someone shaking the tambourine along in time with the drums even if you change the tempo. I've done something similar in the past , but your tambourine sounds better. Also some more on the toms would be good. Much praise too for the hi-hat variations especially the 'sizzle' hi hat- I think that those along with the snare sounds is what gives it that real feel. Have you recorded anything with the kit and db btw? All the best Sion Morris > Thanks, I'm glad you're enjoying it. It was sure fun to put together. > I agree with you about the levels on the bass drum. I'm planning to > sort out the levels a bit better with it. The drum itself is a 15x22 > with a Aquarian Superkick on the batter side and an Evens black > resonant head with a small mic hole. There's no additional muffling. > I have a double-bass pedal so when I want a very muffled sound I've > been trying to train my left foot to mute the drum on the fly. I > should probably make a recording of that and throw it in. The drum > was miked with an SM-57 and a Beta-52 to try and capture the low end > punch as well as some overtones. > > I have a small splash cymbal and just picked up a super trashy 18" > crash that is bent up and has rivets all through it. Those'd be fun > to include. When I re-do the cymbal sounds I'll definitely include > more dynamics and a "choked" sound seems useful too. I've been trying > to use more chokes in my playing these days. > > On the ride, one thing that occurred to me as useful is a quick double > stroke. I've been listening to a lot of jazz lately and those jazz > guys seem to be cheating a bit on the "ah-1"/"ah-3" by using a quick > double at really fast (bop) tempos. > > Thanks for the feedback. > > Cheers, > David.

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Re: Doggiebox Digest, Vol 14, Issue 6
by Dan Costello 17 Aug '04

17 Aug '04

Dave wrote: > And just so this isn't all about me and my needs... If anyone has > requests/complaints about the "70s_Ludwig_Kit" I'd be happy to consider > them. I love the snare variety. I play with a couple drummers up here that use a lot of those same tasty techniques (not just all rimshots from above the head... not that there's anything wrong with that either...). I use this kit a LOT, especially for jazz and funk grooves. Here are my ideas on improvements, very similar to Mike Carlyle's requests: -- I wish the cymbals had as much variety as the snare-- there's a fairly good range with the hi-hat, but a longer sizzle would come in handy, and maybe some "flams" or "diddles" recorded as such (rather than zooming in and stringing 6 of the same hits together). I also noticed that neither the "hi hat foot" nor the "hi hat (default)" cancels things like sizzles or open hits... -- The ride could use another bell (like closer to or further from the post), maybe a rim hit with the side of the stick, and a second "default" recorded a little differently, so that it doesn't sound stale when used in an 8th-note ride pattern. (don't know if you read my last post, but your "ride (default)" was the first one that I tried snipping the front end off to add as a second ride hit, which is getting me by, but it's not ideal). > I've already got a closed-hi-hat version of the kit and am > adding more dynamics to the cymbal sounds. Hopefully I'll have > something to share in the next month or so. Yay!! Like I said, I love this kit. This and the Hemberger Stereo Kit (slightly personalized/modified) are pretty much it for me lately. (BTW-- anyone know who did the Hemberger? I need more good toms for it...) Mike wrote: > I absolutely LOVE the approach that you used to build your kit. When I > realize how silly I was, trying to build your "buzz" and "flam" hits > with carefully spaced sounds from my ns_kit, I have to totally rethink > my approach. That's how eye-opening it was for me. I'm the same way-- I can't see the point of messing with the ns_kit, because for all its variety, it's nearly impossible to get it to sound as realistic as Dave's "real" recordings of those techniques.

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