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Feedbaaaack.2
by Glenn Sugden 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

Also, would it be possible to export just a single section (or selection?) Thanks! ::Glenn --- I'm listening to "Testure (12" Mix)" by Skinny Puppy from 12 Inch Anthology <http://www.gracenote.com/music/search.html? q=Skinny+Puppy+12+Inch+Anthology&f=artist&f=disc&x=0&y=0>

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Re: Rev Rat's drum kits
by Dan Costello 28 Aug '04

28 Aug '04

I like the idea of both loose samples and packaged kits, too. The biggest problem with only offering loose samples is this: unless some way exists to indicate exactly how each sample was recorded and is supposed to fit, one would most likely cobble together a very inconsistent and unrealistic kit. While occasionally this could make for an interesting effect, so far I like the kits made of sounds that were all recorded the same way. Any time I try to patch together a kit (say, borrow a couple toms from one kit to flesh out another kit) it just doesn't sound right. It's not just the difference in the acoustic sound of the drums-- it's the difference in the mics, mic placement, preamps, effects during recording (like any eq, comp, etc.), the room they're in, the medium to which they're recorded... too many variables. If your kits are consistent, realistic, and complete, I'd be interested. But unless the kits you sold offered significantly more flexibility and usability (not just "wow man, look how many samples THIS one has!" but actually useful sounds) than those kits that already exist, I personally couldn't justify spending the money. Best of luck with the project! If I think of any other suggestions, I'll submit them. Dan

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New Doggiebox Drum Kits- Feedback Please?
by Michael Dolan 28 Aug '04

28 Aug '04

I am about to begin work on a massive drum kit project, and wanted some feedback. I am essentially planning on selling several ready to use DB kits. I would also be posting smaller freeware versions of the same kits. Here are the basics: Each kit will consist of over 100 high quality original samples played by a professional and recorded as CD quality or better AIFF files. This means about 8-16 drums, cymbals, and toys at multiple volume levels. Freeware versions would use around 20-25 of the same samples. (most kits in the current DB library have between 15 and 35 samples) Kits will be fully assembled, ready to use .dbkit format with embedded samples and will include a PDF with pictures and descriptions of the instruments being played, and around a dozen sample rhythms representative of the included instruments. This is what we're planning so far, subject to change: Rock Kit: Snare (This for example will have Hit- 8 volume levels, Rimshot- 4 levels, Rim Edge- 2 levels), Popcorn Snare, Kick, 3 toms, Crash/Ride, Thin Crash, Med Crash, China, Splash, Cowbell, Sticks Jazz Kit: Brush hits on Snare (including drag and extra levels of volume), Kick, 3 Toms, Ride, 2 Crash Freeware version will just be the snare- about 20 different kinds of hits. Latin Percussion Kit: 4 Congas, 2 Bongos, High and Low Timbale, Maracas, Cabaca, Guiro, Cowbell, 3 Woodblocks, Clave, Vibraslap. Freeware version will have 2 Congas, Maraca, Cowbell, and Clave. African Percussion Kit: 12" and 14" Djembes, 3 Djundjun, 2 bells, and a pair of metal shakers The single Djembe will still be freeware. Junkyard Kit: A huge (200-300 samples) kit of various and sundry bits of wood, metal, and plastic being struck by other bits of wood, metal, and plastic. Think Stomp, or cutting-edge industrial stuff. Misc. Percussion Kit Various percussion items that we're still deciding on. Rest assured, this has been cleared with Ben, and he gave it a thumbs up, although we still have details to work out. Any feedback you could give me would be appreciated. What else would you like to see incorporated into the above? How much would you pay for these kits individually or a set? Would you rather see a download or CDs? What other sorts of kits would you like to see? Any other ideas.....? -Mike Dolan, The Reverend Rat

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Help with nskit_v7
by Deny Bisson 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

I downloaded the nskit_v7 and the 1C10 build from DB website and downloaded and place the .wav files from NS website in the 1C10 build folder and I can't open the drum kit in DB. What should I do to use it? Thanks for your help. Deny

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Re: [Doggiebox] ns_kit 7 dbkit now up
by Carl Edlund Anderson 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

Mike Carlyle wrote: > If I'm not mistaken, a user is > prompted to locate the files anyway, so it doesn't really matter where > they are. Ben, please correct me if this is not true. A conversion from > linked to embedded samples should make the kit rather portable, but it Oh, fair enough! And, yeah, DB had no problem searching for my local copy of the ns_kit7 wavs and hooked up easily. I was just thinking about this since I had at some point moved some of my own local folders for dbkits and dbsongs that seem to be different that what the default expectation is, and was thinking of putting them back where they "belong" and then making a Doggiebox/Samples folder that would hold ns_kit and various other things. > The font I used was Myriad Bold, sized appropriately to the specific > graphic. Ah! I spent an hour or so before work this morning playing around with Photoshop trying to get some icons for the ns_kit7 8" splash that were based on your splash icons for ns_kit6 and and seem to be getting better and more harmonious results now. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/

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doggie-demos
by Tor Lillegraven 25 Aug '04

25 Aug '04

Well, here are some puppies that I have made using Doggiebox over that least year or so... feel free to chastise or spank me with a newspaper;-) http://www.mementor.net/lyd/eye_to_eye.mp3 http://www.mementor.net/lyd/seasick.mp3 http://www.mementor.net/lyd/love.mp3 also: has anyone tried actually recording real drums on top of a song with doggie-drums? i guess thats the next step for me, but i dunno if its really worth the trouble for just a demo.... vocals are due next week, better focus on that. tor p.s: is it possible to combine two drum sets? lets say i want to use the snares off the Ludwig set for the Hemberger kit? >>> Carl Edlund Anderson <cea(a)carlaz.com> 25.08.04 12:45 >>> I look forward to messing with this when I've got a launching version of DB again. Are any of the other recent betas still online? I think I tried to download 1C7 but it wasn't there .... Otherwise I should probably go back and download the last standard release just to be carrying on with until the next beta comes along. Mike Carlyle wrote: > http://webpages.charter.net/mcarlyle/alive_basictracks.mp3 > Note also that I pushed the tempo from 120 to 124 bpm when jumping into > what will become the chorus part. This really adds some humanization in > my opinion. When I first mapped out this song, I did it on real drums. > When listening to tapes, I sped up quit a bit when it came to this same > part. Yeah, I tried that on one of my DB-based pieces ("Thunderbird"), though I only pushed the tempo to 122 on the choruses, I think. I also had a "speed up" and "slow down" measures of 121 at the beginnings and end of verse segments to keep that transition smoother. I think it sounds pretty cool. Also, my current version of "Afterburner" _doesn't_ use this kind of technique (since I assembled it in a real hurry!) and I think the feel of the drums suffers a bit for it. So it's a good trick :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> ***************************************************************** Denne fotnoten bekrefter at denne e-postmeldingen ble skannet av MailSweeper og funnet fri for virus. ***************************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MailSweeper for the presence of computer viruses. *****************************************************************

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SV: [Doggiebox] Re: doggie-demos
by Tor Lillegraven 25 Aug '04

25 Aug '04

hmmm...well, see -- i HAVE done it before, but ill be damned if i can remember how... hmmm.... damned if i do and damned if i dont, i suppose... can you walk me through it? How do i "extract" the drums? cut and paste? i cant seem to load sound into the drum kit overview panel... Tormented >>> Carl Edlund Anderson <cea(a)carlaz.com> 25.08.04 13:05 >>> Tor Lillegraven wrote: > p.s: is it possible to combine two drum sets? lets say i want to use the > snares off the Ludwig set for the Hemberger kit? Sure. You extract the sounds from the dbkit you wanted (in the dbkit editor) and then import them into the other kit (in the dbkit editor). Save your modified version. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> ***************************************************************** Denne fotnoten bekrefter at denne e-postmeldingen ble skannet av MailSweeper og funnet fri for virus. ***************************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MailSweeper for the presence of computer viruses. *****************************************************************

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Re: doggie-demos
by Carl Edlund Anderson 25 Aug '04

25 Aug '04

Tor Lillegraven wrote: > p.s: is it possible to combine two drum sets? lets say i want to use the > snares off the Ludwig set for the Hemberger kit? Sure. You extract the sounds from the dbkit you wanted (in the dbkit editor) and then import them into the other kit (in the dbkit editor). Save your modified version. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/

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SV: [Doggiebox] Er... Is there a way to export mono?
by Tor Lillegraven 24 Aug '04

24 Aug '04

Um...maybe its just me, but I always though that was what the "mono" button in the down right corner was for? Have I been duped? I`m outraged! Tor "Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it." >>> Christoph <hermiteer(a)itsallconnected.com> 20.08.04 5:50 >>> Outside of course of moving the balancing of all samples to one side? Anyone? Bueller? Cheers, Christoph ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> ***************************************************************** Denne fotnoten bekrefter at denne e-postmeldingen ble skannet av MailSweeper og funnet fri for virus. ***************************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MailSweeper for the presence of computer viruses. *****************************************************************

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Default kit for new dbsong?
by Dan Costello 24 Aug '04

24 Aug '04

Hey Ben (et al): Is there any way to change the default kit (or simply NOT HAVE a default kit defined) for a new dbsong? I find nowhere in the preferences to adjust this. My idea for this is sort of like a web browser-- you can either have a new window open up with a default home page, or as a user-defined home page, or as a prompt asking what location (or in this case, what kit) you want to start with. Thanks-- Dan

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Re: Re: SV: [Doggiebox] Er... Is there a way to export mono?
by mcarlyle＠charter.net 23 Aug '04

23 Aug '04

How about a small, stylized pair of headphones? > > From: Carl Edlund Anderson <cea(a)carlaz.com> > Date: 2004/08/23 Mon PM 12:30:23 EDT > To: Doggiebox List <doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca> > Subject: Re: SV: [Doggiebox] Er... Is there a way to export mono? > > Ben Kennedy wrote: > > On 23 8 2004 at 5:00 am -0400, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >>This is silly, but: a little circle with a picture of an ear, diagonal > >>red line across it ;) > > > > That would be great for "mute", but I don't think it conveys a > > distinction between stereo vs. mono. :) > > Argh, why was I thinking mute!? I've lost the original mail. > > But for mono, we clearly need a picture of _2_ ears, one of which is > crossed out :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> > To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: > <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> >

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Re: SV: [Doggiebox] Er... Is there a way to export mono?
by Tor Lillegraven 23 Aug '04

23 Aug '04

Hey, how about just writing "mute" on the button? i mean, that should be pretty clear to everyone... no, wait... erhh.. we tried that already....never mind ;-) Tor >>> "Ben Kennedy" <ben(a)zygoat.ca> 23.08.2004 18:22:18 >>> On 23 8 2004 at 5:00 am -0400, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >This is silly, but: a little circle with a picture of an ear, diagonal >red line across it ;) That would be great for "mute", but I don't think it conveys a distinction between stereo vs. mono. :) -b -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> ***************************************************************** Denne fotnoten bekrefter at denne e-postmeldingen ble skannet av MailSweeper og funnet fri for virus. ***************************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MailSweeper for the presence of computer viruses. *****************************************************************

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Linking vs. Embedding
by Mike Carlyle 21 Aug '04

21 Aug '04

I'm finally getting around to playing with the new nskit sounds from the version 7 files. It's going very well, and I am really liking some of the new cymbals and snare treatments. This could be my favorite kit yet, once I'm done. I just noticed that there is a choice of linking vs. embedding the files. Was this a nod toward the "recipe" building method of kit distribution? I can't think of a good reason to link my sound files here on my home machine. A great aid towards recipe building might be the ability to "export drum list". In other words, a delimited text file that shows the table in the kit builder window could be useful for communicating recipes to others, as well as serving as an aid to building icons from scratch. I find that I have to refer back to the window in the kit builder constantly. It would be great to be able to just print out a list of drums and variants, including pan, volume, and position settings. It would also be a great tool for checking that your pans and volumes match among like drums. I'm wrestling with actual production of music vs. building and documenting my new kit and building it's icons. If I get time, I'd like to take a crack at recipe building. I envision a spreadsheet style list, with annotations and instructions.

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hi hat muting behavior
by Mike Carlyle 21 Aug '04

21 Aug '04

Has there been a change in the hi hat muting? I notice there is a check box to "interrupt other variants of same type". Would this serve as the choke cue and should I use it instead of typing the word 'mute' after all but the default hi hat variant. I feel like I may have missed something here.

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Re: SV: Re: [Doggiebox] Re: new build problems?
by Ben Kennedy 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

Ok, bizarre. I downloaded the archive onto my ibook and tried unzipping by double-clicking, and I am getting the same "file exists" message. I'm at a loss as to what that means. However, if I open up a terminal window, cd to ~/Desktop and then do a "unzip Doggiebox-1C9.zip", it seems to unzip without incident. I've just tried re-zipping and the file ends up the same. I have also done a dump of the zipfile contents and compared with those of the 1C7 archive (which seems to unzip properly), and aside from the obvious differences in date/time and a couple modified files, there is nothing odd apparent. Very strange. StuffitExpander 8.0.2 appears to unzip the file properly, though. A couple people had reported problems with doggiebox not properly launching (after unzipping). If this still persists, can you please a) check your console.log while trying to launch doggiebox, and b) let me know? thanks, -ben On 19 8 2004 at 2:36 pm -0400, Tor Lillegraven wrote: >yeah, its not working for me either. its booting up, but it doesnt open. >i double click the icon, but there is no splash screen even... > >Tor > >>>> "Ben Kennedy" <ben(a)zygoat.ca> 19.08.04 19:27 >>> >On 19 8 2004 at 1:25 pm -0400, Dan Costello wrote: > >>Anyone else have trouble un-ZIP-ing the 1c9 build? I got an error 17, >>"file exists," when I tried to unzip it. Downloaded fine, 1.2 MB in >>size, I double-click it, and it starts looking like it's gonna open the > >>archive... and then boink, error 17 message. Any ideas? > >Weird. To where are you unzipping it, and how are you doing so? > >I've only tested on 10.3.5 so far (and I zipped it using the Finder >context menu option)... > >-b > >-- >Ben Kennedy, chief magician >zygoat creative technical services >613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 >http://www.zygoat.ca > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> > To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: > <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> > > >***************************************************************** >Denne fotnoten bekrefter at denne e-postmeldingen ble >skannet av MailSweeper og funnet fri for virus. >***************************************************************** >This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by >MailSweeper for the presence of computer viruses. >***************************************************************** > -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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Er... Is there a way to export mono?
by Christoph 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

Outside of course of moving the balancing of all samples to one side? Anyone? Bueller? Cheers, Christoph

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SV: Re: [Doggiebox] Re: new build problems?
by Tor Lillegraven 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

yeah, its not working for me either. its booting up, but it doesnt open. i double click the icon, but there is no splash screen even... Tor >>> "Ben Kennedy" <ben(a)zygoat.ca> 19.08.04 19:27 >>> On 19 8 2004 at 1:25 pm -0400, Dan Costello wrote: >Anyone else have trouble un-ZIP-ing the 1c9 build? I got an error 17, >"file exists," when I tried to unzip it. Downloaded fine, 1.2 MB in >size, I double-click it, and it starts looking like it's gonna open the >archive... and then boink, error 17 message. Any ideas? Weird. To where are you unzipping it, and how are you doing so? I've only tested on 10.3.5 so far (and I zipped it using the Finder context menu option)... -b -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> ***************************************************************** Denne fotnoten bekrefter at denne e-postmeldingen ble skannet av MailSweeper og funnet fri for virus. ***************************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MailSweeper for the presence of computer viruses. *****************************************************************

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Re: new build problems?
by Dan Costello 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

Anyone else have trouble un-ZIP-ing the 1c9 build? I got an error 17, "file exists," when I tried to unzip it. Downloaded fine, 1.2 MB in size, I double-click it, and it starts looking like it's gonna open the archive... and then boink, error 17 message. Any ideas? Thanks, Dan

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Playing around the beat.
by Sion Morris 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

I've a recording using the kit on my site if you want to check out: http://www.cinnamondesign.co.uk/music/music.html Its the second one down 'Bricking it' - Hommage to Pink Floyd! Cheers Sion Morris >> I'm a big fan of your Ludwig kit and have used nothing else since you >> posted it up - Its easily the most realistic sounding kit so-far. > > OK, I gotta confess that I haven't tried this baby, but I'm seeing so > many good things about it that I think I should! Downloading now > ..... (and the new DB build! Gotta check out the MIDI action :) > > Cheers, > Carl

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Playing around the beat.
by Sion Morris 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

Hi David I'm a big fan of your Ludwig kit and have used nothing else since you posted it up - Its easily the most realistic sounding kit so-far. I'm looking forward to the next build and have one item on my wish list. Could you do a left and right shake of the tambourine please? Its so you can essentially sound like someone shaking the tambourine along in time with the drums even if you change the tempo. I've done something similar in the past , but your tambourine sounds better. Also some more on the toms would be good. Much praise too for the hi-hat variations especially the 'sizzle' hi hat- I think that those along with the snare sounds is what gives it that real feel. Have you recorded anything with the kit and db btw? All the best Sion Morris > Thanks, I'm glad you're enjoying it. It was sure fun to put together. > I agree with you about the levels on the bass drum. I'm planning to > sort out the levels a bit better with it. The drum itself is a 15x22 > with a Aquarian Superkick on the batter side and an Evens black > resonant head with a small mic hole. There's no additional muffling. > I have a double-bass pedal so when I want a very muffled sound I've > been trying to train my left foot to mute the drum on the fly. I > should probably make a recording of that and throw it in. The drum > was miked with an SM-57 and a Beta-52 to try and capture the low end > punch as well as some overtones. > > I have a small splash cymbal and just picked up a super trashy 18" > crash that is bent up and has rivets all through it. Those'd be fun > to include. When I re-do the cymbal sounds I'll definitely include > more dynamics and a "choked" sound seems useful too. I've been trying > to use more chokes in my playing these days. > > On the ride, one thing that occurred to me as useful is a quick double > stroke. I've been listening to a lot of jazz lately and those jazz > guys seem to be cheating a bit on the "ah-1"/"ah-3" by using a quick > double at really fast (bop) tempos. > > Thanks for the feedback. > > Cheers, > David.

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Re: Doggiebox Digest, Vol 14, Issue 6
by Dan Costello 17 Aug '04

17 Aug '04

Dave wrote: > And just so this isn't all about me and my needs... If anyone has > requests/complaints about the "70s_Ludwig_Kit" I'd be happy to consider > them. I love the snare variety. I play with a couple drummers up here that use a lot of those same tasty techniques (not just all rimshots from above the head... not that there's anything wrong with that either...). I use this kit a LOT, especially for jazz and funk grooves. Here are my ideas on improvements, very similar to Mike Carlyle's requests: -- I wish the cymbals had as much variety as the snare-- there's a fairly good range with the hi-hat, but a longer sizzle would come in handy, and maybe some "flams" or "diddles" recorded as such (rather than zooming in and stringing 6 of the same hits together). I also noticed that neither the "hi hat foot" nor the "hi hat (default)" cancels things like sizzles or open hits... -- The ride could use another bell (like closer to or further from the post), maybe a rim hit with the side of the stick, and a second "default" recorded a little differently, so that it doesn't sound stale when used in an 8th-note ride pattern. (don't know if you read my last post, but your "ride (default)" was the first one that I tried snipping the front end off to add as a second ride hit, which is getting me by, but it's not ideal). > I've already got a closed-hi-hat version of the kit and am > adding more dynamics to the cymbal sounds. Hopefully I'll have > something to share in the next month or so. Yay!! Like I said, I love this kit. This and the Hemberger Stereo Kit (slightly personalized/modified) are pretty much it for me lately. (BTW-- anyone know who did the Hemberger? I need more good toms for it...) Mike wrote: > I absolutely LOVE the approach that you used to build your kit. When I > realize how silly I was, trying to build your "buzz" and "flam" hits > with carefully spaced sounds from my ns_kit, I have to totally rethink > my approach. That's how eye-opening it was for me. I'm the same way-- I can't see the point of messing with the ns_kit, because for all its variety, it's nearly impossible to get it to sound as realistic as Dave's "real" recordings of those techniques.

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Playing around the beat...
by Aaron Saunders 17 Aug '04

17 Aug '04

Hi Ben and list, I tried the Doggiebox demo a few times last year but I finally bought a licence with the new release. The addition of the playlist was great and makes the package much more versatile. I am a bass player and I now use DBox every time I practise to keep me tight. I have a suggestion. I play a bit of swing jazz etc. and wonder have you looked at putting in a beat location type of slider. Where you could adjust the feel of the drum to be on the beat or to lag or push around the beat. I don't know how other drum sequencers simulate this effect that you get when playing swing with a real drummer but this could give the patterns some more groove. Thanks Ben. Aaron Brisbane, Australia P.S. I think I may have noticed a bug. The pattern icons on the screen do not update when the drum kit is changed. The mouse must be moved over or the pattern or playlist settings changed so that the display updates.

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1C3: Recipes and faster kits
by Ben Kennedy 17 Aug '04

17 Aug '04

Folks, A new build is up at <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox- 1C3.zip> for your boxing pleasure! Following are the release notes as included in the archive. Please read them through, then play around with drum kits with the new build and let me know if you run into any anomalies or performance issues. As you will see, I have tried to devise a neat solution to the "recipe" idea that has been bandied about on this list for some time. Provided that this works as well as planned, it should provide an almost- transparent way to create and distribute "recipe"-based drum kits while requiring virtually no new learning curve for the end user. Let me know how it goes, and hopefully we can finally get some distributable ns_kit and GarageBand dbkits moving around! -ben ------------------------------ Notes for 1C3 (11 May 2004): This build contains some major improvements to the underlying mechanics of drum kit system, facilitating faster load times for songs as well as support for linked (as opposed to embedded) sound files. The .dbkit file format has changed in this version and now uses a "bundle" (enclosed subdirectory) format. On systems running a pre-1C3 version, new drum kits may appear in the Finder as a folder containing several files. If the included "GB Rock Drums.dbkit" appears to be a folder (instead of a file with the usual dbkit icon), make sure you delete any older copies of Doggiebox. You may also have to logout and re-login. Waveform data for each drum sound is now stored individually in the drum kit and each is loaded on demand as required, as opposed to all waveforms for the entire kit loading at once as before. This should result in better memory management, as well as faster response when opening drum kits and song files (particularly noticable with large drum kits). To upgrade existing kits to the new format, simply open them up in the drum kit editor and re-save them. In addition to deferred loading, the new kit format now also facilitates linking to external sound files as opposed to saving them within the drum kit file. This way, it is now possible to create kits based on audio repositories from other sources (such as GarageBand and ns_kit) and exchange them with others without having to duplicate and transport all of the audio data. If you attempt to use a drum kit containing linked sounds which you did not assemble, it is likely that Doggiebox will not initially know where to find the audio files. In such a case, the user will be automatically prompted to choose a folder in which to search for the sounds. Doggiebox will perform a recursive search and attempt to locate sound files matching the originally linked filenames, and remember them from then on. CHANGES TO THE DRUM KIT EDITOR: The drum list has a new column, labeled "Sound". Clicking in this column will activate a pop-up menu allowing you to specify whether to Embed or Link the waveform data for each drum sound. By default Doggiebox will Embed (as in previous versions), but you can also choose to Link, in which case the audio data for that drum will not be saved in the drum kit file. Above the drum list is a button labeled "Fix Links", which will manually invoke the link resolution process by prompting you to choose a folder to scan for sound files. Doggiebox will then attempt to locate sound files for any broken links. Before being prompted to choose a folder, an explanatory alert will be displayed. Clicking the "Set Prompt..." button allows you to customize the message that's shown. (It is advisable to provide some helpful text, depending on the nature of the drum kit, to point the user in the right direction. For example, "please choose the folder containing the files you downloaded from nskit.com"). The link-fixing process will be invoked automatically if you open a song file that uses a kit containing broken links. OTHER CHANGES IN THIS BUILD: No changes to MIDI since 1C2. Effort in this cycle was focused on the drum kit system only. Next build will contain MIDI improvements. (Is anybody actually testing MIDI? I have received zero feedback since 1C2.) The master tempo slider in the song editor has been adjusted so that there should no longer be ambiguity about the middle setting really being 100%. Also, minor cosmetic changes to the push/pull tempo buttons. GENERAL TESTING NOTES: The included "GB Rock Drums.dbkit" is an initial (incomplete) effort at creating a dbkit for the Rock Drums kit supplied with Apple's GarageBand, using icons from the Reverend Rat's set. If you have GarageBand installed on your system, please attempt using this kit and report any problems you have making it work. If anyone would like to pick up the ball and complete this kit, I would encourage it -- please mention so on the mailing list so we can avoid duplication of effort. I would like to eventually have all of the GarageBand kits available for when Doggiebox 1.2 is ready for release. Same with ns_kit 7, too! This build has been tested under 10.3.{3,4}, but not 10.2. As usual, please report any and all feedback either to Ben or to the mailing list. Enjoy! ------------------------------ Again, it's snaggable at <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/ Doggiebox-1C3.zip> -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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Re: DB beta MIDI implementation
by Ben Kennedy 16 Aug '04

16 Aug '04

On 06 8 2004 at 3:41 pm -0400, Sooz and Ken Boldt wrote: >Doggiebox doesn't seem to respond to any of this - it doesn't start or >stop and it's tempo never changes regardless of how I stomp the pedal. >Can you tell me if DB should be responding to any of this? Or is that >not what its MIDI implementation is supposed to allow? Hey Ken, First, please pardon my delay in getting back to you on this... I've still been catching up on my post-vacation e-mail backlog. Thanks very much for your message; you are precisely the type of user I've been hoping to hear from regarding MIDI stuff (aside from Carl I really haven't had too much MIDI-related feedback so far). At the moment, DB does not listen for any incoming MIDI play-related messages (the only thing it pays attention to are note messages, which change the currently selected drum for editing). However, for the next build, I will add the obviously missing support for MIDI start and stop. Incoming MIDI clock presents an interesting issue. I think it would be undesirable to destructively change the song based on incoming tempo (e.g. altering the marked tempo in the current bar), however, it strikes me that DB could adjust the tempo slider (i.e. relative master tempo) based on the ratio of incoming (tapped) tempo vs. current bar's tempo, if you see what I mean. In practice that is probably what you want to achieve anyhow. Whaddya think? -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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My band's doggiefied demos
by Phil Moore 16 Aug '04

16 Aug '04

Hi everyone, I've read the list for quite a while now, though I have never actually posted. My band has been putting together some demos lately, using doggiebox for drums since for the next month and a half I'm not living anywhere with space for a real drum set up. Now that the list is showing some signs of life again I thought that if I posted some mp3s I might get some good feedback. The songs are posted here: http://www.spudnikpop.com/demos/dbox.html If anyone has any tips or opinions about the doggieboxing, the recording, or anything else about the songs, I'd love to hear it! I think that I used the nskit_1dbkit for all the tracks. I've seen references to what seem to be newer conversions of the nskit to dbkits, is there anyplace where those are available for download? Thanks! Phil

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