can anyone out there help me
im into making heavy music and was wondering if anyone has a drum kit on doggiebox that would suit this style of music
cheers
sam
i don't sam. but i've been listening to a bunch of dillinger escape plan and refused lately and folks seem to be using very muted bass drums with those weird little falam-salam clicker pads on the resonant head of the drum. you can hear the clicking as the bass drum fires.
just thought i'd mention it as it took me a while to figure out how those drummers were getting the sound. i thought it was a trigger at first, but then i saw someone doing it live with no trigger.
another note is that contemporary metal and hardcore has quite a different drum sound from the big old resonant kits of the 70s/80s. i think the big difference is in the tom sound mostly though. what era of metal/rock sound are you looking for?
good luck with your search.
d.
On Sep 8, 2005, at 6:58 PM, Sam Hansen wrote:
can anyone out there help me
im into making heavy music and was wondering if anyone has a drum kit on doggiebox that would suit this style of music
cheers
sam
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On 09/09/2005 05:05, David Holloway wrote:
another note is that contemporary metal and hardcore has quite a different drum sound from the big old resonant kits of the 70s/80s. i think the big difference is in the tom sound mostly though. what era of metal/rock sound are you looking for?
Just to chime in ...
The "70s Ludwig Kit vII" dbkit does the big, resonant 70s drum sound very well. Very Bonham :) Wouldn't work for the "clicky" thing heard in extreme/death metal kick-drumming, though I think a lot of that is insane compression and EQ. But neither is that really a sound I'm into.
A lot of rock recordings I hear from the 70s have kind of "dead" sounding toms, though, and I like big, powerful tom sounds :) And though I like boomy Bonham-style kicks, for my own stuff (vaguely heavy rockish) I've gone with a more focused kick thump. I've used the ns_kit samples with Doggiebox in most of my home-recording stuff and have found ns_kit6 and ns_kit7free sound just fine in heavy rock contexts. There are a couple of dbkits for ns_kit7free samples on the Doggiebox site, and I think I linked my version from my web page somewhere ....
I haven't had a chance to play with the variety of samples in the complete ns_kit7 release--or complete a new dbkit using those samples in a usable way--but there's pretty much something there for every style. I've just gotten back from holiday in the States where I picked up a Tascam US-122 USB audio interface (having been impressed with the work the list's Mike C did using one) and installed the Cubase LE that came with it, and am looking forward to doing some more recording with this set-up soon :)
Cheers, Carl
To get what I think is a pretty heavy drum sound, I actually combine the ns_kit with The Tama Swingstar kit, both of which I got from the doggiebox file library.
The reason I blend them is I like the flexibility when programming as far as snares (left hand, right hand, buzzes, etc) and cymbals (sampled at different velocities) in nskit but the Tama kit's samples simply have a *much* bigger rock sound.
I did a few demos last weekend. Here's how I use them both:
\ demo 1 - programmed beat with nskit in doggiebox. - export as audio into protools, send down bus 1-2 to slight compressor and slight reverb - recorded other instruments: guitars/bass on 3 new tracks - sent bass out into a russian (green) big muff, back in on new track although "very much fuzzier" - back to doggiebox, saved as tama kit (removed open high hats) exported as audio to new stereo track in protools - opened original nskit, ditched *seriously* cheesy toms, re-exported - imported/replaced audio for original drums - send new drums down bus 3-4 to lo-fi plugin (like distortion, clips out the sound) - send new drums out to RNC1773 set to *extreme* compression (we're talking mountain freaking dew here doooood), back in to new track - build mix, bounce to stereo
http://www.fuzzylogical.com/themb/demos/01_demo_01.mp3
\ demo 2 - programmed beat with nskit in doggiebox. - export as audio into protools, send down bus 1-2 to slight compressor and slight reverb - recorded other instruments: guitars/bass on 4 new tracks - back to doggiebox, saved copy of track, switched kit to Tama, erased all beats but snare export new snare - imported new snare new track send down bus 3-4 to compressor - build mix, bounce to stereo
http://www.fuzzylogical.com/themb/demos/02_demo_02.mp3
Hope this is useful Sam. I'm no pro but I had a good time recording this stuff. I'd be interested to hear other people's processes too for perspective.
Corey
Links/Stuff RNC1773 Really Nice Compressor. Love it. It's the shizz for $199 - http://www.fmraudio.com/RNC1773.HTM Bass & Guitars are all Tech 21 Trademark 10 http://www.tech21nyc.com/ tm10.html Used a Fender Tele Plus from the 90's and a '68 Vox Spitfire direct out over xlr to protools Effects - reissue green Russian EH Big Muff Pi, 80's Boss Super Overdrive SD-1 http://guitargeek.com/gearview/59/
Um that's it. I should get back to work.
On Sep 8, 2005, at 6:58 PM, Sam Hansen wrote:
can anyone out there help me
im into making heavy music and was wondering if anyone has a drum kit on doggiebox that would suit this style of music
I'm not a huge metal fan, but I have to say that "Demo 1" is a rockin' tune! Great, great sound - and great, clean, up-front mix, too! Nice!
On Sep 9, 2005, at 4:41 PM, Corey Knafelz wrote:
To get what I think is a pretty heavy drum sound, I actually combine the ns_kit with The Tama Swingstar kit, both of which I got from the doggiebox file library.
The reason I blend them is I like the flexibility when programming as far as snares (left hand, right hand, buzzes, etc) and cymbals (sampled at different velocities) in nskit but the Tama kit's samples simply have a *much* bigger rock sound.
I did a few demos last weekend. Here's how I use them both:
\ demo 1
- programmed beat with nskit in doggiebox.
- export as audio into protools, send down bus 1-2 to slight
compressor and slight reverb
- recorded other instruments: guitars/bass on 3 new tracks
- sent bass out into a russian (green) big muff, back in on new track
although "very much fuzzier"
- back to doggiebox, saved as tama kit (removed open high hats)
exported as audio to new stereo track in protools
- opened original nskit, ditched *seriously* cheesy toms, re-exported
- imported/replaced audio for original drums
- send new drums down bus 3-4 to lo-fi plugin (like distortion, clips
out the sound)
- send new drums out to RNC1773 set to *extreme* compression (we're
talking mountain freaking dew here doooood), back in to new track
- build mix, bounce to stereo
http://www.fuzzylogical.com/themb/demos/01_demo_01.mp3
\ demo 2
- programmed beat with nskit in doggiebox.
- export as audio into protools, send down bus 1-2 to slight
compressor and slight reverb
- recorded other instruments: guitars/bass on 4 new tracks
- back to doggiebox, saved copy of track, switched kit to Tama, erased
all beats but snare export new snare
- imported new snare new track send down bus 3-4 to compressor
- build mix, bounce to stereo
http://www.fuzzylogical.com/themb/demos/02_demo_02.mp3
Hope this is useful Sam. I'm no pro but I had a good time recording this stuff. I'd be interested to hear other people's processes too for perspective.
Corey
Links/Stuff RNC1773 Really Nice Compressor. Love it. It's the shizz for $199 - http://www.fmraudio.com/RNC1773.HTM Bass & Guitars are all Tech 21 Trademark 10 http://www.tech21nyc.com/tm10.html Used a Fender Tele Plus from the 90's and a '68 Vox Spitfire direct out over xlr to protools Effects - reissue green Russian EH Big Muff Pi, 80's Boss Super Overdrive SD-1 http://guitargeek.com/gearview/59/
Um that's it. I should get back to work.
On Sep 8, 2005, at 6:58 PM, Sam Hansen wrote:
can anyone out there help me
im into making heavy music and was wondering if anyone has a drum kit on doggiebox that would suit this style of music
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On 09 Sep 2005, at 21:41, Corey Knafelz wrote:
To get what I think is a pretty heavy drum sound, I actually combine the ns_kit with The Tama Swingstar kit, both of which I got from the doggiebox file library.
Hey, that's a pretty cool idea! Gotta try it :)
Cheers, Carl
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