I find that, when I'm going for a simple, straight ahead, live sound, David Holloway's kit fits the bill perfectly.
It took me a while to figure out how to work with the boomy kick sound. I found that I need to follow a routine: Export the audio, open in Peak for pre-processing, apply a little eq and limiting to maximize the volume without peaking out, then save. That saved file is what I import into Cubase and build upon.
This is my second attempt at vocals. I was pushed into singing by some positive influences by my friends at the Fender Discussion Page. I'm still not entirely comfortable with my voice, but I guess it's better than waiting for my unreliable singer friend to show up.
http://webpages.charter.net/mcarlyle/images/flowchart.mp3 ____________ Mike Carlyle Wilbraham, MA USA
hey mike, nice work! i have a question... the snare hits seem to have that "behind the beat" feel. did you shift the snare time-wise at all? interesting effect.
also, if you could post you kick sound variant somewhere i'd love to hear it in isolation.
cheers, d.
On Apr 10, 2005, at 9:28 AM, Mike Carlyle wrote:
I find that, when I'm going for a simple, straight ahead, live sound, David Holloway's kit fits the bill perfectly.
It took me a while to figure out how to work with the boomy kick sound. I found that I need to follow a routine: Export the audio, open in Peak for pre-processing, apply a little eq and limiting to maximize the volume without peaking out, then save. That saved file is what I import into Cubase and build upon.
This is my second attempt at vocals. I was pushed into singing by some positive influences by my friends at the Fender Discussion Page. I'm still not entirely comfortable with my voice, but I guess it's better than waiting for my unreliable singer friend to show up.
http://webpages.charter.net/mcarlyle/images/flowchart.mp3 ____________ Mike Carlyle Wilbraham, MA USA
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No time shifting. This is pretty much your kit as posted. Other than playing with colored icons, I didn't do much to it other than make some volume adjustments inside of Doggiebox.
As for hearing the kick in isolation... that would have been a great idea. The thing is, the post processing I applied was to the exported song, not to the individual sounds. I applied some eq that reduced the boominess of the kick in the exported song file. I also applied some limiting to that same file to "maximize" the file before building on it.
If I treat individual sounds (a great idea, just not one I've had time for yet) I'll be sure to share.
On Apr 11, 2005, at 12:10 PM, David Holloway wrote:
hey mike, nice work! i have a question... the snare hits seem to have that "behind the beat" feel. did you shift the snare time-wise at all? interesting effect.
also, if you could post you kick sound variant somewhere i'd love to hear it in isolation.
cheers, d.
On Apr 10, 2005, at 9:28 AM, Mike Carlyle wrote:
I find that, when I'm going for a simple, straight ahead, live sound, David Holloway's kit fits the bill perfectly.
It took me a while to figure out how to work with the boomy kick sound. I found that I need to follow a routine: Export the audio, open in Peak for pre-processing, apply a little eq and limiting to maximize the volume without peaking out, then save. That saved file is what I import into Cubase and build upon.
This is my second attempt at vocals. I was pushed into singing by some positive influences by my friends at the Fender Discussion Page. I'm still not entirely comfortable with my voice, but I guess it's better than waiting for my unreliable singer friend to show up.
http://webpages.charter.net/mcarlyle/images/flowchart.mp3 ____________ Mike Carlyle Wilbraham, MA USA
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On Apr 11, 2005, at 3:56 PM, Mike Carlyle wrote:
If I treat individual sounds (a great idea, just not one I've had time for yet) I'll be sure to share.
I think it would be incredibly useful to export instruments (drums, cymbals, etc.) as individual files. I almost always apply some type of processing (eq, compression, etc.) to the files when I import them into ProTools. It would be super hot to apply different parameters of processing to the instruments as if they were recorded live as separate tracks.
Sorry if this has been mentioned before. Sometimes I only quickly glance at the list.
We've discussed this a few times. I have exported individual sounds in the past, but this requires a cumbersome workaround. Quite frankly, I'd rather put the time into the performance or arrangement aspect of the song.
My philosophy is that the drums as one cohesive unit are a bit closer to a carefully mic'd live performance recorded in the good old days before 24 track studios were everywhere. I'm aware I'm only justifying a shortcut, but this works for me.
What David had been asking about was the export and treatment of individual sounds from his kit, followed by the re-import into my version of his kit. That's what I took him to mean, at least.
On Apr 11, 2005, at 7:46 PM, Corey Knafelz wrote:
On Apr 11, 2005, at 3:56 PM, Mike Carlyle wrote:
If I treat individual sounds (a great idea, just not one I've had time for yet) I'll be sure to share.
I think it would be incredibly useful to export instruments (drums, cymbals, etc.) as individual files. I almost always apply some type of processing (eq, compression, etc.) to the files when I import them into ProTools. It would be super hot to apply different parameters of processing to the instruments as if they were recorded live as separate tracks.
Sorry if this has been mentioned before. Sometimes I only quickly glance at the list.
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10-4.
I use DB for quick demos, and it's great for that, so I guess I was splitting hairs in any case.
On Apr 11, 2005, at 4:57 PM, Mike Carlyle wrote:
We've discussed this a few times. I have exported individual sounds in the past, but this requires a cumbersome workaround. Quite frankly, I'd rather put the time into the performance or arrangement aspect of the song.
My philosophy is that the drums as one cohesive unit are a bit closer to a carefully mic'd live performance recorded in the good old days before 24 track studios were everywhere. I'm aware I'm only justifying a shortcut, but this works for me.
What David had been asking about was the export and treatment of individual sounds from his kit, followed by the re-import into my version of his kit. That's what I took him to mean, at least.
On Apr 11, 2005, at 7:46 PM, Corey Knafelz wrote:
On Apr 11, 2005, at 3:56 PM, Mike Carlyle wrote:
If I treat individual sounds (a great idea, just not one I've had time for yet) I'll be sure to share.
I think it would be incredibly useful to export instruments (drums, cymbals, etc.) as individual files. I almost always apply some type of processing (eq, compression, etc.) to the files when I import them into ProTools. It would be super hot to apply different parameters of processing to the instruments as if they were recorded live as separate tracks.
Sorry if this has been mentioned before. Sometimes I only quickly glance at the list.
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I know Ben has it somewhere on his 'to-do' list, but I too had always thought of DB as a quick drum programming tool. Even, so with panning and volume for individual instruments, plus the variants available, that's a huge amount of control for a 'quick demo' app! Listen to Mike's songs and David's test piece to confirm that.
The main use for export of individual instruments, as I see it, is for separate FX: for example, adding extra punch to the kick, without adding boom to the snare. Again, we are not in 'quick demo' country.
If I want to do that level of processing, I am quite happy to do a workround. Mine is to write the whole drum part, create as many new Songs as there are Instrument groups that I foresee processing separately, Copy and Paste the whole Song to each, then Delete appropriately, ending up with a Kick Song, a Snare Song, a Cymbal Song, a Hat Song, etc. and export the separate Audio files to my DAW. It's only the Copying and Deleting that are extra. (End of teaching to suck eggs time.)
Adrian
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10-4.
I use DB for quick demos, and it's great for that, so I guess I was splitting hairs in any case.
On Apr 11, 2005, at 4:57 PM, Mike Carlyle wrote:
We've discussed this a few times. I have exported individual sounds in the past, but this requires a cumbersome workaround. Quite frankly, I'd rather put the time into the performance or arrangement aspect of the song.
My philosophy is that the drums as one cohesive unit are a bit closer to a carefully mic'd live performance recorded in the good old days before 24 track studios were everywhere. I'm aware I'm only justifying a shortcut, but this works for me.
What David had been asking about was the export and treatment of individual sounds from his kit, followed by the re-import into my version of his kit. That's what I took him to mean, at least.
On Apr 11, 2005, at 7:46 PM, Corey Knafelz wrote:
On Apr 11, 2005, at 3:56 PM, Mike Carlyle wrote:
If I treat individual sounds (a great idea, just not one I've had time for yet) I'll be sure to share.
I think it would be incredibly useful to export instruments (drums, cymbals, etc.) as individual files. I almost always apply some type of processing (eq, compression, etc.) to the files when I import them into ProTools. It would be super hot to apply different parameters of processing to the instruments as if they were recorded live as separate tracks.
Sorry if this has been mentioned before. Sometimes I only quickly glance at the list.
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For me, Doggiebox is it. It's my drummer. There's not reason not to use it this way as far as I'm concerned. If I put enough time into it, I can get some pretty good and realistic sounding tracks.
Ben... please don't ever consider the product as less than a full-fledged, pro level sequencer! I don't know what I'd do without it at this point.
On Apr 12, 2005, at 4:12 AM, Adrian Delso wrote:
I know Ben has it somewhere on his 'to-do' list, but I too had always thought of DB as a quick drum programming tool. Even, so with panning and volume for individual instruments, plus the variants available, that's a huge amount of control for a 'quick demo' app! Listen to Mike's songs and David's test piece to confirm that.
____________ Mike Carlyle Wilbraham, MA USA
On 12/04/2005 23:58, Mike Carlyle wrote:
For me, Doggiebox is it. It's my drummer. There's not reason not to use it this way as far as I'm concerned. If I put enough time into it, I can get some pretty good and realistic sounding tracks. Ben... please don't ever consider the product as less than a full-fledged, pro level sequencer! I don't know what I'd do without it at this point.
Yup, unless I were good enough and rich enough to use V-drums or a TrapKAT or something to play>capture basic passes for later editing, I wouldn't plan to use anything but Doggiebox for drums on anything I do. OK, my stuff is pretty much unpolished demos anyway, but I've heard (a few) "pro" releases that sound worse :) And Sgt. Pepper's was done on a 4-track or whatever and all that :)
The cool thing about DB is it's Mac-like in the sense that it "just works" and does pretty much what you want it to do in a relatively obvious way. OK, it could gain the ability to split out different drums, as people ahve been talking about, import MIDI files or something (and maybe some other cute interface tricks like multiple kits), but can't think of much else that a software drum sequencer would need to do ....
Cheers, Carl
On 10/04/2005 17:28, Mike Carlyle wrote:
This is my second attempt at vocals. I was pushed into singing by some positive influences by my friends at the Fender Discussion Page. I'm still not entirely comfortable with my voice, but I guess it's better than waiting for my unreliable singer friend to show up. http://webpages.charter.net/mcarlyle/images/flowchart.mp3
Sounds great to me. Your voice might not get you Pavarotti's job :) but who's would? The vocals suit the kinda straight-ahead yet laid-back rock vibe of "Come Alive" and "Flowchart" to a T. I won't pick a favorite between the two songs, but I think their different tempos and feels complement each other well. Double A-side 7", I reckon :)
Cheers, Carl
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