On 20-Feb-2005 03:40, Scott Kerr wrote:
If we could get velocity changes, that would be AWESOME! [...] The Ludwig Kit Kicks ASS! Man, that's killer (Ghost notes Rock!)
For _real_ velocity changes, you have to have actual samples of hits at different velocity
I totally agree with you, Carl. That's what's so great about the Ludwig kit (at least the first one-- haven't played around much with the second one). The "flam" and the "buzz" snare aren't just a bunch of louder and softer (but identical) snare hits. They are recordings of those actual techniques; it's their authenticity that sounds so good. Trying to approximate these techniques in any other kit is almost silly, because it sounds far too mechanical. Our ears must be able to tell the difference between a distinct hit and the same hit at a different volume.
DC
On 22-Feb-2005 19:33, Dan Costello wrote:
Carl wrote:
For _real_ velocity changes, you have to have actual samples of hits at different velocity
I totally agree with you, Carl. That's what's so great about the Ludwig kit (at least the first one-- haven't played around much with the second one).
I didn't play around with the first so much, but I've done more with the second :)
The "flam" and the "buzz" snare aren't just a bunch of louder and softer (but identical) snare hits. They are recordings of those actual techniques; it's their authenticity that sounds so good. Trying to approximate these techniques in any other kit is almost silly, because it sounds far too mechanical. Our ears must be able to tell the difference between a distinct hit and the same hit at a different volume.
Yeah, those are _really_ useful features in the Ludwig kit. There is actually a pile of "press roll" samples at different velocities in the ns_kit7 sample pack -- I guess those are like a buzz roll. In the ns_kit7 dbkit I've been kicking around, I set the press roll samples as the same drum type as the regular snares and so that they're "interrupted by others of the same type". That way if there's a press roll hit followed by another snare hit, the second hit cuts of playback of the first and you get a flam-type effect. The Ludwig kit is still better defined in this though, I think. If there was a "Lugwig Kit III" dbkit :) it would be cool to see normal, accented, and ghosted versions of all the drum variants :) That wouldn't add _too_ much to the total size of the samples, but would give a very great deal of flexibility. I still do a lot with the ns_kit variants because I love the range of available velocities -- especially for the snares (and sometimes the hats) -- but in combo with the new per-hit-volume-tweak features in the latest beta, you could really do quite a lot to imitate relaity with even just a 3-level velocity range in the samples!
Cheers, Carl
On Feb 23, 2005, at 3:44 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
On 22-Feb-2005 19:33, Dan Costello wrote:
Carl wrote:
For _real_ velocity changes, you have to have actual samples of hits at different velocity
I totally agree with you, Carl. That's what's so great about the Ludwig kit (at least the first one-- haven't played around much with the second one).
I didn't play around with the first so much, but I've done more with the second :)
The "flam" and the "buzz" snare aren't just a bunch of louder and softer (but identical) snare hits. They are recordings of those actual techniques; it's their authenticity that sounds so good. Trying to approximate these techniques in any other kit is almost silly, because it sounds far too mechanical. Our ears must be able to tell the difference between a distinct hit and the same hit at a different volume.
Yeah, those are _really_ useful features in the Ludwig kit. There is actually a pile of "press roll" samples at different velocities in the ns_kit7 sample pack -- I guess those are like a buzz roll. In the ns_kit7 dbkit I've been kicking around, I set the press roll samples as the same drum type as the regular snares and so that they're "interrupted by others of the same type". That way if there's a press roll hit followed by another snare hit, the second hit cuts of playback of the first and you get a flam-type effect. The Ludwig kit is still better defined in this though, I think. If there was a "Lugwig Kit III" dbkit :) it would be cool to see normal, accented, and ghosted versions of all the drum variants :) That wouldn't add _too_ much to the total size of the samples, but would give a very great deal of flexibility. I still do a lot with the ns_kit variants because I love the range of available velocities -- especially for the snares (and sometimes the hats) -- but in combo with the new per-hit-volume-tweak features in the latest beta, you could really do quite a lot to imitate relaity with even just a 3-level velocity range in the samples!
i'm hoping to get to a version III Ludwig kit sometime in march. i have some time off coming up, new heads, a really nice new bosphorus flat jazz ride, and a new mixer with nicer pre-amps. i'll definitely try to be a little more methodical with this one and get a variety of sound levels for each instrument on the kit. also, i'm thinking of doing the rudiments on the snare at a variety of levels as well.
i LOVE the idea of doggiebox automatically choosing the alternate velocity samples!! that would be amazing!
Cheers, Carl
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