October 2003 - Doggiebox - lists.zygoat.ca

Kit building feature request
by Mike Carlyle 12 Nov '03

12 Nov '03

Ben, How hard would it be to include an "export sound" button in the kit building window? Sometimes, when building a kit, or modifying another's kit, it is neccessary to tweak a sound and import it back into a revised DB kit. Example: my ns_kit that I sent you has a ride crash in it that has a tiny bit of excess space at the front of it, causing it to sound like it's slightly mis-hit when played in a song. I want to export the sound, clip the start, and import it back in. My original sound file is (hypothetically) not available. Currently, I must put the sound into a song, export it, edit it, then import it back. It would be great to save the song building step and just export it from the kit. Having said all that, it would be a redundant feature if you decided that it was worthwhile to implement the export of discreet drum sounds from a song file. In other words, I could more easily post process the sounds if they could be exported as separate wave files, making the "export sound" button not as important. I appreciate you listening. I hope others are finding the application as useful and rewarding to use as I am. I'm getting pretty good reviews from the folks that I've either programmed tracks for, or who have heard my stuff in songs. Thanks again in advance for whatever you come up with next.

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Beta 1A23 (pumpkin day)
by Ben Kennedy 31 Oct '03

31 Oct '03

Happy Halloween all, Hot on the heals of 1A22, here's a new one for you to drive: <http:// www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1A23.sit> There are two principal changes since wednesday's build: 1. Thanks to the diversity of opinion on the decay issue, I've thrown in a new preference setting. The default is to maintain the previous behaviour (automatically letting decay play out), and people who want more precise control should turn it off. Is that a reasonable default? The preference affects both playback and exporting. 2. I've tracked down the timing bug, and now when I export 16 bars of 4/4 at 120bpm, it comes out as 16.000 seconds instead of 15.8391 or whatever it was before. :) Thanks for drawing my attention to this. What happened was that due to an off-by-one error, the last beat of every bar was being inadvertently shortened by a fraction of time equal to the smallest per-beat subdivision (about 1/24th of a beat). Since I don't do loops, and the difference was otherwise imperceivable to the ear, I was unaware until it was raised recently. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: [Doggiebox] Beta 1A22 posted
by Ben Kennedy 31 Oct '03

31 Oct '03

On 30 10 2003 at 1:19 pm -0500, Tor Lillegraven wrote: >>>>The tail at end should now be gone. I have never been aware of >static >>>>before the first beat though. Could you send me an example? > >Actually, for me the "tail" end of it was really never that big of a >problem. The real problem was the "head", that made the exported audio >out of sync with the first of my MIDI clicks. Tor, I'm glad you pointed this out; you were in fact correct, an extra 0.1 second delay was being imposed at the start of export. This is now fixed in 1A23. >But if I`m understanding this right, I can now add an extra "silent" bar >at the end, and the last beat will just fade out? That would work great >for me. I guess the whole point is that the exported tracks are exactly >the right length.... The timing should be rock solid now... if you find otherwise, let me know! -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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SV: Re: [Doggiebox] Beta 1A22 posted
by Tor Lillegraven 31 Oct '03

31 Oct '03

Well, I have asked for this adjustment a couple of times -- one problem I`m having is that the exported audio tracks have a "head" and a "tail". I use Digital Performer, and set up my drum tracks on top of a MIDI click. The problem with exporting from Doggiebox has been that the tracks that I export don`t fit with the clicks, even if the bpm is the same. This is because there is a small snippet of static before the first beat of the Doggiebox drum track. Similarily, there is a fade out after the track is done. Tor >>> Carl Edlund Anderson <cea(a)carlaz.com> 30.10.03 10:03 >>> At 00:07 30-10-03, Ben Kennedy wrote: >- By popular demand, exporting now produces output of precise length and >no longer compensates for final decay. OK, I feel dumb for asking this, but what does that mean? Or rather, what did it do before that it doesn't do now, and why? :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea@carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> ***************************************************************** Denne fotnoten bekrefter at denne e-postmeldingen ble skannet av MailSweeper og funnet fri for virus. ***************************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MailSweeper for the presence of computer viruses. *****************************************************************

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Doggiebox in the classroom
by Ben Kennedy 31 Oct '03

31 Oct '03

Hi all, Thought you might be interested in some of the other uses that Doggiebox is getting. A couple of weeks ago, we sold a site license to a private school in Massachusetts for their computer music lab. I just received the following note: >just wanted you to know that my students LOVE doggiebox! >they each prepared a drum piece for their parents at parent >conferences and their parents were truly impressed with their >compositions. their assignment was to create something that had >repeated patterns, and a "plan"-a beginning, middle and end. you >should have heard them-they were very imaginative! It's kind of neat to know it's not just home-recording folks making use of Doggiebox! -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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SV: Re: SV: Re: [Doggiebox] Beta 1A22 posted
by Tor Lillegraven 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

>>Tor, are you still finding this with 1A22? I haven`t had a chance to try it out yet, but I will this weekend. >>>The tail at end should now be gone. I have never been aware of static >>>before the first beat though. Could you send me an example? Actually, for me the "tail" end of it was really never that big of a problem. The real problem was the "head", that made the exported audio out of sync with the first of my MIDI clicks. Once I got that aligned in my sequencer, I could just do a little tail docking, and i`d be fine (excuse the dog puns;-) But if I`m understanding this right, I can now add an extra "silent" bar at the end, and the last beat will just fade out? That would work great for me. I guess the whole point is that the exported tracks are exactly the right length.... Tor, aka "looper" ***************************************************************** Denne fotnoten bekrefter at denne e-postmeldingen ble skannet av MailSweeper og funnet fri for virus. ***************************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MailSweeper for the presence of computer viruses. *****************************************************************

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Some mp3s using Doggiebox
by Sion Morris 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

If anyone is interested, I've uploaded a few tracks I've done over the last six months using Doggiebox - and some older stuff too. there's a couple of kits and a db file there too. http://www.cinnamondesign.co.uk/music/music.html Ben - feel free to post the link up on the site. Btw your direct email link on the site wasn't working for me - I got a 404 page 'The requested URL /library/library(a)doggiebox.com was not found on this server ' Sion Morris

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Beta 1A22 posted
by Ben Kennedy 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

Hi all, What's new in 1A22 <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1A22.sit>: - Improved play/stop button so that response during playback is now instant, instead of sometimes briefly hanging. - By popular demand, exporting now produces output of precise length and no longer compensates for final decay. - Fixed a bug where the position indicator would sometimes stop moving in mid-song during playback. - Minor fixes for 10.1 compatibility (playback indicator now works instead of crashing; hang after exporting should be eliminated). NOTE: If you have previously experienced crash-on-launch issues with Doggiebox, please try to determine whether they still occur with this beta build. If you can ascertain that they do not, please let me know. I've made a change to the build process that may or may not be relevant. If you DO continue to get launch crashes, please check the system log (using Console.app) and send me any relevant output logged from Doggiebox. In particular, it should now log a couple of messages similar to "willFinishLaunching begin" -- I want to see how far it's getting before the crash. thanks, -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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Keyboard Shortcuts?
by Pat 28 Oct '03

28 Oct '03

Is there a keyboard shortcut for Play Selected Bars? thanks, Pat

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Clicks and Pops (Panther?)
by Pat 28 Oct '03

28 Oct '03

Hi, I had just purchased DoggieBox recently when I upgraded to Panther. So I don't know if this is a general problem or something caused by the upgrade. But after creating a pattern using the "Ben's Premiere" drum kit and exporing it I always get clicks and pops... Mostly they are associated with the highest level points but some seem to be random, such as at the beginning. I don't hear the clicks when playing in DoggieBox, only when exporting. Also I have tried turning down the master output level, but it seems to have no effect on the exported result... Can anyone tell me what's up? I can post the pattern and sample result if that will help. Thanks, Pat Niemeyer Author of Learning Java, O'Reilly & Associates and the BeanShell scripting language.

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