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Re: Doggiebox Digest, Vol 17, Issue 4
by Sterling Beckwith 11 Nov '04

11 Nov '04

I'm all for livening up the interactivity with Doggiebox, as suggested in the last two posts. If each item on the current playlist were clickable with the mouse to initiate its playback, wouldn't this have the same effect, without the problems of choosing and changing multiple key assignments, etc.? -Sterling Beckwith

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Re: Carl's wish list
by Dan Costello 10 Nov '04

10 Nov '04

> I was just wondering recently about assigning keyboard keys to > different > sections from the play list, so you could sort of build a play list > from > a stock of pre-defined Sections on the fly... A lot of more complex USB controllers (such as game pads) act as keyboards anyway-- you assign letters to the controller's buttons, and then assign tasks to the letters. So I would think assigning a button on a keyboard for this function would be no different... What is the Behringer 1010? A MIDI footboard? Dan Costello

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Wish List
by The Reverend 10 Nov '04

10 Nov '04

>As I am not a MIDI expert, I'm open to as much detailed discussion on how >to impelement MIDI as you folks might require. Can you explain more how >you would envision the start/stop and section changing to work? What I would love to see would be to be able to plug in something like the Behringer 1010 and then configure it, for example, to have the expression pedal control tempo, pedal 1 starts and stops, pedal 2 turns loop mode on/off, pedal 3 selects section 1, pedal 4 selects section 2, and so on. (The Thing I was talking about in the above paragraph: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=040420161243068064252239513915/ g=home/search/detail/base_pid/182469/ ) This would let me play a live gig and switch between verse and chorus on the fly. *********************************** -- The Reverend Rat -- Rock and roll like it still matters. http://www.revrat.com ***********************************

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Vintage 70s Ludwig Kit vII
by Sion Morris 01 Nov '04

01 Nov '04

Hi David Thanks for taking the time to improve on your Ludwig db - I've had a quick mess about and like the refinements a lot. I think you've hit on a good combination of drum sequences and subtle alternate sounds that really give it a that 'real drummer' sound. The ns-kit is good for a clean professional polished result, but lacks the 'human' quality your kit has I think. Suits my needs perfectly. Any chance of some tambourine shakes? I know you've got one there ;-) A left and a right shake would be good - to be able to keep in time with the beat. Thats the only improvement I can think of. Will be posting an effort using the kit soon. Cheers Sion Morris > hi folks, > > i have finally found some time to assemble a version II of the ludwig > kit. it is quite different from the first effort, and probably won't > appeal to everyone, but feel free to download and play with it. the > url is: > > the url is: > > http://www.slugworth.com/blog/70sLudwigKit_vII.zip > > it includes a test arrangement. > > cheers, > david.

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New demo made with DB
by Carl Edlund Anderson 28 Oct '04

28 Oct '04

It's been a bit quiet recently, but I thought I would quickly mention I've put a new song demo using Doggiebox drums on my web site: <http://www.carlaz.com/music/current.html>. Titled, "On the Hill", there are MP3s of both the full track and the drum part only, as well as (of course) the dbsong :) I did it using nskit6 samples, but it's mostly snare/kick/hat/crash and maybe a few toms, so the dbsong could be converted to any kit fairly easily. I recorded DB straight out of the headphone port on my iBook to 2 tracks on my Roland VS-1680 -- DB's MMC feature were a major help in the early stages of getting the demo sorted, since I kept going back to nudge the drums around :) I ran both guitar and bass through my recently acquired SansAmp GT-2. I didn't spend a lot of time dialing in sounds, but they're OK. On the high gain settings the GT-2 gets a bit noisy (greatly aggravated by proximity to the VS-1680, actually), so I clamped on the noise gate from one of Roland's onboard amp sims. Seemed OK. The vocals are horrible (and the lyrics cheezy) but I've never claimed to be a singer (or poet); good fun though. For what it's worth, I've been making a new version of an earlier demo I did with DB drums ("Afterburner), and both the old and new dbsongs are on my Web site, too. I cannot overstate how handy the MMC feature is. Man, you've got to shell out some bucks for most sequencer software that does that. I wouldn't be shy about playing up that and DB's capability for MIDI output when spreading the good word. In other, kit-bashing news ... I'm continuing to messing around with an nskit7 dbkit, based on Mike Carlyle's. Though the complete sample set is too big to be very practical, I though I would make a dbkit that referenced every sample, and then people could cut it down to the complexity they prefer easily enough. And I'll try to get the MIDI info there, eventually including velocity info. But this is an "occasional lunchtime" project, so it's taking a while :) And I gotta say I'm having real difficulty making icons that look as good as Mike's (color-coded shapes with numbers are very handy for multiple-velocity kits). I sit there staring in Photoshop, trying to capture the look and feel, and the results always turn out ugly! :) Still, gotta keep trying .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/

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1.2 (1B13) is posted!
by Thorsten Kummer 28 Sep '04

28 Sep '04

Thank you! I'll give it a try tonite. I purchased a license few days ago and used DB for my first recording. If you're interested in getting a link to the mp3 file, please let me know.... Can you please make more of the Garageband kits available to us? Regards Thorsten (from Germany)

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[Enhancement request] - particular drum volume
by Thorsten Kummer 17 Sep '04

17 Sep '04

Hi, last night I modified the existing Hemberger kit. When selecting more than one drum at a time from the list (drumkit editor), the loudness slider is disabled. I would find it very useful to adjust the drum volume for more than on drum at a time, let's say decrease all HiHat variations to 50 percent with one step. Regards Thorsten .

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General question about posting here
by Michael Dolan 16 Sep '04

16 Sep '04

Reminds me... Stop me if you've heard this one.... How many drummers does it take to change a light bulb? None. We have machines that do that now. =Heh= The Reverend Rat Rock and Roll Like it Still Matters www.revrat.com

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General question about posting here
by Thorsten 16 Sep '04

16 Sep '04

Hi, every time I post here, a new thread is created instead of an answer to a previous question. How do you guys manage to answer instead of opening a new thread for every answer? I'm using netscape Mail (MS WIN2K) or Apple Mail (OS X) Regards Thorsten

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Problems with drumkits prior to 1.2
by Thorsten 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

Hi, I tried the following with DB 1.2: - opened the Hemberger Kit - "saved as" Hemberger.dbkit in a new folder - a subfolder is created name Hemberger.dbkit which includes a Hemberger.dbkit file and a subfolder called Sounds which includes all the AIFF Files for the particular drums - opened a Song created in 1.1 / or any other song created with 1.2 - try to apply the new Hemberger kit (the file open box does not see the Hemberger.dbkit file although it's there) - reopened the Hemberger.dbkit file - all the drums had no AIFF file assigned (could not be found) - tried to assign the AIFF files manually - Message "unable to save document" How to proceed? Regards Thorsten

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"Drumming for Dummies"
by Thorsten 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

Good information, and the best thing is: DoggieBox enables us learning by doing without a real drumkit! Really appreciated it, thanks! Thorsten

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"Drumming for Dummies"
by Carl Edlund Anderson 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

Just happened across this link: http://www.taborama.com/display_lesson.php?lesson_id=110 Lots of good basic little patterns and such :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/

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1.2 (1B13) is posted!
by tk 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

Doggieboxed song: ***************** OK, so here it goes: http://www.tkummer.de/lousylovers/Time_dont_wait_compressor.mp3 It's a 3 minute song that I've recorded last week using - doggiebox (Hemberger Kit) exported to 2 tracks on a Boss BR-8 - guitars, bass, and vocals performed by me :-) GarageBand Kits: *************** I was a little disappointed because I thought, the whole kits (incl. AIFF files) are included. I figured out that there's only a link to the files. I don't have Garageband, so it looks worthless for me ... Did I find a bug? ************** I tried to modify the existing Hemberger kit (lower the volume of the HiHat). When I triy to save my changes it says: "Unable to save the document" (or something like that, I forgot, sorry). Do I miss something? Bye Thorsten

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Re: [Doggiebox] 1.2 (1B13) is posted!
by tk 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

OK, everytime I answer it creates a new thread. Now I've put an Re: and I hope that helps ... Bye Thorsten

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1C11 posted
by Ben Kennedy 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

Hi all, 1C11 is up at <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1C11.tbz>. Release notes: • In the drum kit editor, textual instrument details are now copied to the clipboard (suitable for pasting into a text editor or spreadsheet). • A warning is now displayed after exporting a MIDI file when there are one or more missing MIDI assignments in the drum kit. • Incoming MIDI messages are now handled by the top-most window only, instead of all open documents simultaneously. • Fixed a problem where the playback indicator would not appear if playback were initiated via MIDI. • Added "None" as an option when specifying MIDI input and output devices. • Removed the seldom-used push- and pull-tempo buttons in interests of simplifying the interface. • Tweaked slightly the appearance of the mono/stereo button. I would appreciate it if everyone would report any remaining MIDI-related or other important issues that are still present, because this cycle has been dragging on long enough and is starting to shape up well enough that I'd like to get 1.2 out the door soonish if possible. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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1.2 (1B13) is posted!
by Ben Kennedy 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

Hey all, Finally, I have kicked 1.2 out the door. <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox.bz2> This build differs from 1B12 in one respect -- a bug is fixed in the drum kit editor which caused a crash under certain circumstances when changing drum sounds. Also, Garage Band kits (basic Rock and Jazz) are included in the archive. If you are pleased 1.2 so far, and felt like posting a comment or rating on the Versiontracker page, I would not object. :) As I type this, the most recent comments seem to relate to vague crashing issues in older versions, which might not be all that encouraging or relevant to new users... Next up, taking a hard look at how to shake up the main editor to make it more powerful and funky. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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push-pull tempo slider
by Dan Costello 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

> David Holloway <davidh(a)slugworth.com> wrote: > > i might be a small minority but i do use the tempo-slider regularly. > doggiebox is a great tool for my drum practice, and it is very handy to > be able to dial down the tempo for patterns where my body is not yet up > to the task. i.e. i start slow and work up. in fact, if the lower > limit could be dropped to 25% or lower i would be a very happy camper. I even used the buttons a couple times, for the same thing Ben mentioned-- matching a DB pattern up to another already recorded song where the tempo drifted a bit and I just couldn't get the written tempo settings perfect. But the slider is definitely useful. For one, David's use of it totally makes sense for learning parts and slowly building speed. My most common use of it is when I've got the patterns dialed in, but then the other parts (guitar, bass, vocals etc.) get developed a bit more and need the drums at a different tempo. Instead of having to actually change all of those tempos during the trial-and-error of finding the perfect tempo for the song (especially in songs with multiple tempo changes), the slider is ideal. Dan Costello proud member of the "Keep The Slider" Coalition

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Kalava samples
by Carl Edlund Anderson 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Just happened across this link to some possibly interesting drum sample collections: http://web.archive.org/web/20010627191755/hem.passagen.se/lej97/kalava/ -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/

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Feedbaaaack.2 [oops]
by Glenn Sugden 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Oh, look at that, you can just select the section in the "Sections" area and "Export Audio..." Neverrrrmiiiind... :-) (Still might be nice to export selections in the "Playlist" tho' ;-) ::Glenn --- I'm listening to "Testure (12" Mix)" by Skinny Puppy from 12 Inch Anthology <http://www.gracenote.com/music/search.html? q=Skinny+Puppy+12+Inch+Anthology&f=artist&f=disc&x=0&y=0>

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Fwd: [Doggiebox-announce] 1C9: midi fixes and so on
by Ben Kennedy 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

Oops... I posted this to the announce list by mistake. Ah well! -ben ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- Subject: [Doggiebox-announce] 1C9: midi fixes and so on Date Sent: Tuesday 17 August 2004 5:52 pm From: Ben Kennedy <ben(a)zygoat.ca> To: Doggiebox Announce List <doggiebox-announce(a)lists.zygoat.ca> CC: Sooz And Ken Boldt <kboldt(a)execpc.com> Hey all, Please grab the latest beta (after a little summer hiatus) at your convenience: <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1C9.zip> • Made some changes to the layout of the song document window to improve usability. • Implemented support for incoming MMC and standard MIDI Play and Stop commands (Doggiebox should now play and stop along with external devices). • Probably fixed a problem where all audio would drop out after a few seconds during MIDI playback. • During playback, the user is now prevented from switching new sections into view. Carl, Ken and others, let me know how the MIDI stuff is working out for ya in this new build. Also, remarks on the main song window changes are welcome -- thanks to Sterling for direction on that which is probably way overdue. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca _______________________________________________ Doggiebox-announce mailing list Doggiebox-announce(a)lists.zygoat.ca http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox-announce ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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ns_kit 7 dbkit now up
by Sion Morris 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

Hi Mike Following what you've said here, I've just started using a VST plug in Cubase which simulates that analog compression really well. Its called 'vintage warmer' thought you'd like to know about it. There's more info and a demo at: http://www.pspaudioware.com/indexen.html?url=http:// www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/vintage.html; If you need a copy 'for evaluation purposes' let me know. (I'm on os x here) Cheers Sion Morris > The A string kind of drones as an open string. You are correct about > the sus6 fingering. > When finished, this guitar track should be somewhat less prominent > than it currently stands. There will be some electric rythyms and > fills, not to mention vocals. > > I now have a "recipe" for recording basic tracks. I play the drums to > four track tape in stereo, and apply some compression with an Alesis > nano compressor. I record bass next, also compressing. The guitar > track is next. > > This is mixed as a stereo track into Cubase, where I continue to > build. The reason for this is that I was not satisfied at all with my > computer recorded drum and bass tracks. I like the warmth and > compression of tape, even though it's 1/4" cassette. Even when mixed > into the Mac, it retains some fullness and definition that I can't > otherwise achieve. > > In addition, I will probably let me singer friend record his tracks on > his deck at home. I'll mix them and comp them together in Cubase > after. I'll get a much more natural performance from him, I'll bet.

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Clipping?
by Glenn Sugden 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

I seem to be getting a clipped section in my exported song, and I'm not sure why... The song is here: <http://www.aggroculture.com/audiotrocities/doggiebox/ skullhunter.dbsong>, I'm using the latest build (1C10), ns kit version 7, and I haven't tweaked anything in The Dog (that I know of ;-) A screenshot of the clipped section is here: <http://www.aggroculture.com/audiotrocities/doggiebox/clipped.pdf> And the full AIFF file is here: <http://www.aggroculture.com/audiotrocities/doggiebox/skullhunter.aiff> It's in the second hit in the "main" section. Thanks! ::Glenn --- I'm listening to "Sympathy For The Devil" by The Electric Hellfire Club from Empathy For The Devil (Disc 1) <http://www.gracenote.com/music/search.html? q=The+Electric+Hellfire+Club+Empathy+For+The+Devil&f=artist&f=disc&x=0&y =0>

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Feedbaaaack
by Glenn Sugden 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

I've (finally!) found the time to start using DoggieBox, and I love it so far... However, I'll be posting a few (hopefully helpful!) suggestions as I dive into more and more of it: 1) Could you please save the "expanded/contracted state of the song window? 2) How about a warning/no-saving of empty MIDI export files? 3) Could you please add a "normalization" feature? Is that a really newbie-audio-person thing to ask? :-D Thanks again for a great proggie - which saved me a lot of time writing my own drum-box. ;-) --- I'm listening to "Headhunter V1.0" by Front 242 from Front by Front [Re-release] <http://www.gracenote.com/music/search.html? q=Front+242+Front+by+Front&f=artist&f=disc&x=0&y=0>

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[Fwd: Re: [Doggiebox] Help with nskit_v7]
by Carl Edlund Anderson 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Doggiebox] Help with nskit_v7 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:05:10 -0400 From: Deny Bisson <dbisson(a)mediom.com> To: Carl Edlund Anderson <cea(a)carlaz.com> Here is what I can do. When I drag the NS kit over the DB icon, it open in DB, then I can link the sound files with the kit but I cannot save it. So I save it under NS Deny name. Back to DB, I click on the drum kit button to select the drum kit and nothing append. If I try to open the drum kit (file, open) DB says it cannot open the file. Weird enough!!! Regards, Deny Carl Edlund Anderson a écrit : > Deny Bisson wrote: >> I downloaded the nskit_v7 and the 1C10 build from DB website and >> downloaded and place the .wav files from NS website in the 1C10 build >> folder and I can't open the drum kit in DB. > > That's weird. It shouldn't really matter where the dbkit or samples > are. Do you get some weird error when trying to open the kit, or does > it just do nothing, or what? Can you open other kits as normal? > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > http://www.carlaz.com/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> > To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: > <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> > -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/

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Another observation
by Mike Carlyle 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

Is it just me, or does DB like to "stutter" a little bit on the first playback after opening a song for editing? If I start a bar, or a whole song, the timing is very messed up. If I stop, then play the same bar, it's OK. This is true until DB makes it's way through the whole song. It's a bit annoying. It's like there's some sort of caching or something not going on that requires DB to think about all the sounds again. Another question: is linking an active feature yet? If so, how to make a link? I've got that next nskit ready to go, but all the sounds are embedded.

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