I've just completed my first song with DoggieBox - excellent (the software, not the song) The only thing I could have used that wasn't already there was an addition to the Drum kit of Hand claps. Any chance they could be added to one of the kits???? Cheers Charlie
On 28 9 2003 at 5:53 am -0400, Charlie Needle wrote:
The only thing I could have used that wasn't already there was an addition to the Drum kit of Hand claps.
Any chance they could be added to one of the kits????
Well there's one suggestion that will be easy for me to work in for the next version. I'm sure we can arrange that. :) The question is... what does a good hand-clap sound like? How many pairs of hands? -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
On domingo, sept 28, 2003, at 17:00 Europe/London, Ben Kennedy wrote:
The question is... what does a good hand-clap sound like? How many pairs of hands?
I think a Zen handclap, with just one hand clapping, should certainly be included as an option :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:carl@carlaz.com http://www. carlaz.com/
On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 12:11 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
On domingo, sept 28, 2003, at 17:00 Europe/London, Ben Kennedy wrote:
The question is... what does a good hand-clap sound like? How many pairs of hands?
I think a Zen handclap, with just one hand clapping, should certainly be included as an option :)
Cheers, Carl
Obviously the Zen version is essential for the more spiritual musicians amongst us, but for the more practical members, how many pairs of hands is a good question... I've been using Pro Tools free and I never get a good clapping sound - best I've got is double tracking myself clapping 3 times - this is the minimum needed I've found, (2 sounds a bit spare). I've never been bothered going past this 'cos you start to hit the 8 tracks limit with the Freebie Pro Tools fairly quickly. Be great if they are added in Version 1.xxxxx Cheers, Charlie
Charlie, you could always use up all 8 tracks of PT Free (in a separate session) to get the hand-clap sound you want and then export the end product as a mono file, and import it into the song session for which you need it. It is a hassle, but.... This might also be a way of getting a file which you could import into DB. Cheers, Pascal on 29/9/03 5:14 am, Charlie Needle at puffin@iinet.net.au wrote:
On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 12:11 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
On domingo, sept 28, 2003, at 17:00 Europe/London, Ben Kennedy wrote:
The question is... what does a good hand-clap sound like? How many pairs of hands?
I think a Zen handclap, with just one hand clapping, should certainly be included as an option :)
Cheers, Carl
Obviously the Zen version is essential for the more spiritual musicians amongst us, but for the more practical members, how many pairs of hands is a good question...
I've been using Pro Tools free and I never get a good clapping sound - best I've got is double tracking myself clapping 3 times - this is the minimum needed I've found, (2 sounds a bit spare).
I've never been bothered going past this 'cos you start to hit the 8 tracks limit with the Freebie Pro Tools fairly quickly. Be great if they are added in Version 1.xxxxx
Cheers, Charlie
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The unique/tough thing about hand-claps is that it is their slight rhythmic imperfection that makes them sound good. That's what sets 10 pairs of clapping hands apart from 3 pairs -- there's more of them that are all just a little bit off (and randomly at that). I'm guessing that this would be hard to reproduce (?). ... that said, having SOME sort of hand-clap option in DB would certainly be of use. If (maybe) not for the final recording, certainly for every other step of production. Maybe a 'few' set and a 'many' set of handclaps in DB with 3-5 and 7-10 pairs of hands, respectively? mjk
-----Original Message----- From: doggiebox-bounces@lists.zygoat.ca [mailto:doggiebox-bounces@lists.zygoat.ca] On Behalf Of Pascal Barras Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 11:12 AM To: Doggiebox List(s) Subject: Re: [Doggiebox] Request - suggestion
Charlie, you could always use up all 8 tracks of PT Free (in a separate session) to get the hand-clap sound you want and then export the end product as a mono file, and import it into the song session for which you need it. It is a hassle, but.... This might also be a way of getting a file which you could import into DB.
Cheers, Pascal
on 29/9/03 5:14 am, Charlie Needle at puffin@iinet.net.au wrote:
On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 12:11 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
On domingo, sept 28, 2003, at 17:00 Europe/London, Ben
The question is... what does a good hand-clap sound like? How many pairs of hands?
I think a Zen handclap, with just one hand clapping, should certainly be included as an option :)
Cheers, Carl
Obviously the Zen version is essential for the more spiritual musicians amongst us, but for the more practical members, how many pairs of hands is a good question...
I've been using Pro Tools free and I never get a good clapping sound - best I've got is double tracking myself clapping 3 times -
Kennedy wrote: this is the
minimum needed I've found, (2 sounds a bit spare).
I've never been bothered going past this 'cos you start to hit the 8 tracks limit with the Freebie Pro Tools fairly quickly. Be great if they are added in Version 1.xxxxx
Cheers, Charlie
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At 20:42 29-09-03, matt k. wrote:
The unique/tough thing about hand-claps is that it is their slight rhythmic imperfection that makes them sound good. That's what sets 10 pairs of clapping hands apart from 3 pairs -- there's more of them that are all just a little bit off (and randomly at that). I'm guessing that this would be hard to reproduce (?).
Though I would also be interested to see the introduction of such a very, very tiny "mistiming" feature that would make things happening on the same beat very, very slightly out of step. I suspect that would make even a single kit sound less like a drum machine, and would probably be very far out if you had, say, 20 floor toms going at it together :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea@carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/
My highly amateurish attempts at drum programming in Doggiebox are now available to world ... and dog :) http://www.carlaz.com/music/rhythm.html There are half-a-dozen or so .dbsong files (with accompanying MP3 and WAV exports), mostly little 1- or 2-bar patterns but also the full .dbsong for a composition I'm working on (the enterprising could hack it up for parts). A couple of the patterns are sloppy attempts to imitate some well-known rock drumming patterns :) I've mostly been working with a tweaked version of a dbkit like the one Mike Carlyle put together from the ns_kit samples, though the rules for ns_kit use currently forbid me from putting my version of the kit up there as well. The only major change I've made from the sort of thing Mike Carlyle did is make a copy of the high tom sounds and shift their pitch up in a rather rough'n'ready fashion to create another "even higher tom", which I've dubbed an "alto tom" (simply to make the abbreviations easier). Anyway, I've tried to list the basic drum sounds that are needed for each of my dbsong files in order to aid with swapping in whatever kit you're using. The stuff probably sounds OK without my attempts to use samples of differing velocity and that sort of thing. Anyway, more grist for the Doggiebox mill :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea@carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/
On 30 9 2003 at 5:12 am -0400, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
There are half-a-dozen or so .dbsong files (with accompanying MP3 and WAV exports), mostly little 1- or 2-bar patterns but also the full .dbsong for a composition I'm working on (the enterprising could hack it up for parts). A couple of the patterns are sloppy attempts to imitate some well-known rock drumming patterns :)
Great stuff Carl! I mentioned earlier that I wanted to just throw a link to your site on the library page instead of re-posting files since that makes more sense. I haven't had time to tweak the arrangement of the library page yet, so what I've done is posted Thunderbird, and included the link to your site in its description. That ought to point people there in the meantime. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
At 18:34 30/09/2003, Ben Kennedy wrote:
I mentioned earlier that I wanted to just throw a link to your site on the library page instead of re-posting files since that makes more sense. I haven't had time to tweak the arrangement of the library page yet, so what I've done is posted Thunderbird, and included the link to your site in its description. That ought to point people there in the meantime.
Cool :) Yeah, it would be cool to link to users' sites if they're storing dbsongs and the like there -- spreads the bandwidth around, at least :) Files that prove especially handy or that have no other home can go in the main DB library page. As a total novice to drums and drum programming, I've found the stuff people have posted to the library very useful in getting to grips with the subject. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea@carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/
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