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Re: [doggiebox] Doggiebox and other instruments
by Patrick O'Donoghue 22 May '03

22 May '03

Your stuff sounds good. I want to ask you, what is the advantage of routing through the 424? I have a 424 I'd like to make use of, but I wasn't sure how I'd best take advantage ofit before sending the signal into my G4.... Thanks, -Patrick PowerbookG4/667/512RAM PT 6.0/Mbox/OS X Condenser mic. for vocals/Sansamp box for guitar tele/strat/acoustic >From: "Michael Carlyle" <mcarlyle(a)charter.net> >To: doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca >Subject: Re: [doggiebox] Doggiebox and other instruments >Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 08:13:56 -0400 > >The sample songs on the site were a couple that I had sent along to Ben, >just for kicks. He liked them and posted them, after checking with me, of >course. > >They were recorded using Cubase SX on a G4. The Doggiebox audio files were >exported as 32bit float AIFF's, but any AIFF format would work, really. I >imported these tracks as a single stereo track into Cubase. The guitar >parts on the first demo were done with my 50's Classic Tele through a Tech >21 Trademark 10 piped directly into a Tascam 424, which I used as a sort of >interface between the digital and analog worlds. The Tascam was routed >stereo in to the G4, where Cubase picks up the tracks and lays 'em down. > >The bass was recorded pretty much direct. It's a '62 RI Fender Jazz routed >through a compressor and then into the Tascam, etc. > >The drum tracks were left fairly dry. I added some overall compression and >a bit of stereo reverb to the mix when creating the disk file. I mixed to >AIFF, then used iTunes to convert to mp3. > >On Wed, 21 May 2003 21:01:35 -0700 > Carl Freire <cfreire(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>Hi Michael: >> >>At 11:11 AM +1000 5/22/03, Michael Garrett wrote: >>>Warning: I've just joined this mailing list and I'm sure this >>>question has been asked before... >> >>I haven't been on it too long myself so I don't know what's gone before, >>say, a month ago or so. >> >>>How are other people recording bass/guitar/vocals when they are using >>>Doggiebox? The example mp3 songs on the web site are great. I'm >><snip> >> >>Well, I've done a little bit, making demos of my songs for my band. I >>convert my drum track to an .aiff file and then either play out into my >>Fostex four-track or the ProTools Free eight-track I downloaded some time >>back from the manufacturer. It's been very nice and sounds pretty good. >>Hope to tinker some more with this over the next few months--I finally >>figured out how to do some simple fills, which makes a big difference! >>Plus, it's easier for me to work to an "actual" drum backing rather than >>play off of a click track. >> >>FWIW. >> >>Carl >>-- >> >>********** >> >>Carl Freire >>Oakland, California >>cfreire(a)ix.netcom.com >>cfreire(a)uclink4.berkeley.edu >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - http://www.doggiebox.com >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: doggiebox-unsubscribe(a)lists.zygoat.ca >> For additional commands, e-mail: doggiebox-help(a)lists.zygoat.ca >> > ><TEXTAREA NAME="Signature" ROWS="4" COLS="60"><TEXTAREA NAME="Signature" >ROWS="4" COLS="60"><TEXTAREA NAME="Signature" ROWS="4" COLS="60"> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - http://www.doggiebox.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: doggiebox-unsubscribe(a)lists.zygoat.ca > For additional commands, e-mail: doggiebox-help(a)lists.zygoat.ca > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: [doggiebox] New drum kits online
by Patrick O'Donoghue 22 May '03

22 May '03

That's great!! Thank you so much!! The sound is really thick & crisp! Really a nice addition!!! >From: "Ben Kennedy" <ben(a)zygoat.ca> >To: Doggiebox <doggiebox(a)lists.zygoat.ca> >Subject: [doggiebox] New drum kits online >Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 18:32:20 -0400 > >Hey all, > >Per popular request I have finally been able to get the beginnings of the >Doggiebox file library online. Check it out at: > ><http://www.doggiebox.com/library/> > >There's not much there currently, aside from two new kits which I put >together this afternoon. Feel free to send in your contributions! > >Eventually, the plan is to set this up interactively so that Doggiebox >users can log in and upload/browse files automatically. > >-ben > > >-- >Ben Kennedy, chief magician >zygoat creative technical services >613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 >http://www.zygoat.ca > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - http://www.doggiebox.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: doggiebox-unsubscribe(a)lists.zygoat.ca > For additional commands, e-mail: doggiebox-help(a)lists.zygoat.ca > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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New drum kits online
by Ben Kennedy 21 May '03

21 May '03

Hey all, Per popular request I have finally been able to get the beginnings of the Doggiebox file library online. Check it out at: <http://www.doggiebox.com/library/> There's not much there currently, aside from two new kits which I put together this afternoon. Feel free to send in your contributions! Eventually, the plan is to set this up interactively so that Doggiebox users can log in and upload/browse files automatically. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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1.0.3 build 1A14 posted
by Ben Kennedy 20 May '03

20 May '03

Hi all, New in build 1A14 (20 May 2003): - Improvements to Undo support since 1A13. - File references, as saved in preferences and song files, are now stored using alias records instead of absolute paths. As a result, Doggiebox should be less prone to lose track of drum kits that have been moved or renamed. (Song file format has been updated with this build) <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1A14.sit> I have received feedback from only one person on the last build, so I'll assume that nobody is having any major problems =) Enjoy, -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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1.0.3 beta, featuring Undo!
by Ben Kennedy 14 May '03

14 May '03

Greetings all, I'm happy to announce that after a few weeks of silence, I've finally been able to get a couple of small but important long-awaited features implemented: Undo support, and an Erase tool! This should make basic editing considerably less annoying. Registered users may grab build 1A13 now at <http://www.doggiebox.com/ distribution/Doggiebox-1A13.sit> As described in the release notes: - Added Undo support for various editing operations (adding/removing drums; adding/removing bars within the song; changing bar properties). - Added new Erase functionality: hold the Option key while mousing over the pattern editor, and click (or drag) to immediately remove any drums beneath the cursor. Please report your experiences either to the mailing list or to me directly. Enjoy, -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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Is there a posted wish list?
by Mike Carlyle 14 Apr '03

14 Apr '03

I wonder about this, since I had some ideas that I didn't want to be redundant about. I know there are some things on the pile of stuff to do, such as velocity control for individual instruments, and some interface enhancements for pattern building. One example of something I wondered about: Would it be impossible to create a keyboard mapping tool that allowed a user to build "real time" patterns in addition to the step recording capabilities we already have? In other words, we might say: k=kick h=hi hat closed g=hi hat open s=snare (I know there are already user-definable key shortcuts in the kit builder, but I don't know what they do- I don't think it's for this) Next, we could define, say, four empty patterns. Finally, we could start a click track (not yet available- also a requirement for this to work) and play the keyboard to quickly build sections. This is an idea that I miss from my analog machine. Although the step recording features in an application like Doggiebox are far superior to my little machine's LCD readout of one pattern at a time, there are moments where I want to just "tap out" my progressions, as my real Drum machine allows. I have no idea if Mac System issues prevent this from happening. Bear in mind, I'm not speaking about modified keystrokes (like the previously discussed CMD-H), I'm talking about an application having a temporary keyboard map that could be toggled on and off (defeated or re-activated) at the users control.

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Fwd: [doggiebox] Sound Problems on TiPB
by Mike Carlyle 11 Apr '03

11 Apr '03

Begin forwarded message: > From: Mike Carlyle <mcarlyle(a)charter.net> > Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 6:09:43 PM US/Eastern > To: "Ben Kennedy" <ben(a)zygoat.ca> > Subject: Re: [doggiebox] Sound Problems on TiPB > >> >>> Second, how do you program rolls? I'm currently programming them as >>> 32nd >>> notes. Is there a better way to do it? >> >> That's the best way so far, I think. Any suggestions to improve this? > > I have just one. Export a single snare beat. Open it in an external > editor and slightly attenuate it's volume. Use eq if desired to subtly > change it's timbre. Season to taste. > > Import this new sound back into your kit. Call it snare accent or > snare soft or something like this. In your 32nd note array, sprinkle > this new drum sound in to simulate the changing velocity a real > drummer would play with. > > Second suggestion: Record a real one (easier said than done). There > are CD's available of drum sounds only. I saw one last weekend for 99 > bucks. Too much for me at the moment. > > >> >> -b >> >> -- >> Ben Kennedy, chief magician >> zygoat creative technical services >> 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 >> http://www.zygoat.ca >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - http://www.doggiebox.com >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: doggiebox-unsubscribe(a)lists.zygoat.ca >> For additional commands, e-mail: doggiebox-help(a)lists.zygoat.ca >> >

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Re: [doggiebox] Wishes list
by Gavin and Danica 11 Apr '03

11 Apr '03

Well Ben the list sure is getting bigger... The program sure is getting better too. One of the last wishes was with regards to the Drum editor. I've been holding back on this but it looks like for a good time to bring it up. I thought about it when Billy was asking about the Big pipe drum. A tuner! I assume the Drum editor could end up being a sound editor of some sort.... Thanks Ben, Later Gavin.

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Re: [doggiebox] Sound Problems on TiPB
by Ben Kennedy 11 Apr '03

11 Apr '03

On 09 4 2003 at 9:34 pm -0400, Brent Mundy wrote: >I may have missed an earlier conversation about this....? Using my TiPB I >cannot get any sound out of Doggiebox 1.0.1. When I hit play the measure >kinda flashes a green color, but no sound ever comes out of the machine. >Additionally, no sounds are generated when I place drums on the measure. Hi Brent, Are you creating a new song? If you open the demo song, does it play back correctly? If you are experiencing this problem when creating a new song or changing the drum kit for an existing song, the work-around is to save the file, close it, and re-open it. At that point, you should have sounds back. This is fixed in version 1.0.2 (due imminently). -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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Version 1.0.2 released
by Ben Kennedy 11 Apr '03

11 Apr '03

Hi all, Doggiebox version 1.0.2 now posted for download. New since 1.0.1: - Added a master volume slider for controlling the output level (useful to eliminate clipping on exported tracks). - Considerably improved the accuracy and performance of the playback position indicator. - Improved the export dialog to remember the most recently chosen file format. - Added menu commands for playing and exporting the current selection. - Added support for two new sound file formats: FastTracker 2 import and Portable Voice Format import/export. - Fixed a bug where pops or clicks were sometimes heard when using custom drum kits. - Fixed a bug where sometimes no sounds would be audible until a song was saved and re-opened (mostly occurred when creating new songs). - Fixed a compatibility problem using exported files with BIAS Deck/Peak. - Fixed a problem where sound files with uppercase filename extensions were not recognized. This incorporates all of the changes from the two betas released over the past couple of weeks (thanks to those who tested). The Doggiebox web site: http://www.doggiebox.com Download 1.0.2 now: http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox.sit -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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Sound Problems on TiPB
by Brent Mundy 10 Apr '03

10 Apr '03

I may have missed an earlier conversation about this....? Using my TiPB I cannot get any sound out of Doggiebox 1.0.1. When I hit play the measure kinda flashes a green color, but no sound ever comes out of the machine. Additionally, no sounds are generated when I place drums on the measure. I'm using the kit: Ben's drums.dbkit I can get sound out of version 1A4 (not sure about the other versions between 1A4 and 1.0.1 :( Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks, B

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Re: [doggiebox] 2 Suggested Enhancements
by Billy Krahl 08 Apr '03

08 Apr '03

> How do you mean, exactly? Are you talking about copying individual >events from within a bar? Insofar as tempo control, it is of course >fairly trivial to change the bpm on any given bar. Let's say there are 4 columns in a bar (which correspond to 4/4). I select Kick Drum icon and click it on the first column. I then select Tom Floor and click it on the first column. Finally I select hi hat and click it on the first column. The first column has a stack of 3 drum icons. Now, I change my mind. I want to this stack of 3 icons move to the second column. With the current release, we have to select hi hat and click on the first column to remove it and then click on the second column; select Tom Floor and click on the first column to remove it and then click on the second column and finally select Kick Drum and click on the first column to remove it and click on the second column. As you can see, it is a laborious process. A column copy and paste will save time. I may be missing...maybe this capability is already existent in Doggiebox? Billy IBM Software Tester--Dokimazo pas (translates to: test, examine, prove, or scrutinise all things) - 1 Thes 5:21

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2 Suggested Enhancements
by Billy Krahl 07 Apr '03

07 Apr '03

2 suggested enhancements: 1) When I play a song, it always starts at the very beginning. When I am working along a song, I would like to play at a specific point in the song. 2) Doggiebox has the ability to copy bars. How about also the ability to copy individual tempo within the bar and paste to another part of the same bar? It is difficult enough to four or five different drums from one tempo and recreate to another tempo. Billy IBM Software Tester--Dokimazo pas (translates to: test, examine, prove, or scrutinise all things) - 1 Thes 5:21

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Build 1A11 posted: more fixes
by Ben Kennedy 07 Apr '03

07 Apr '03

Hi all, I'm happy to announce another 1.0.2 beta build for registered users, adding more improvements to the last build posted a week ago! Grab it now at: <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1A11.sit> New in build 1A11: - Added a master volume slider for controlling the output level (useful to eliminate clipping on exported tracks). - Considerably improved the accuracy and performance of the playback position indicator. - Fixed a bug where pops or clicks were sometimes heard when using custom drum kits. - Fixed a bug where sometimes no sounds would be audible until a song was saved, closed and re-opened (mostly occurred when creating new songs). Note that files saved with this version will not open in previous versions due to a minor change in file format (the master volume is saved with the song). Please report any problems, weirdnesses, etc you might encounter. Thanks! -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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Re: kit building observation
by Ben Kennedy 06 Apr '03

06 Apr '03

On 06 4 2003 at 10:17 am -0400, Mike Carlyle wrote: >When drums are placed on the same "level", shouldn't they interact with >one another in the way that your hihat open/close sounds do? I've place >a new foot pedal sound in the kit in the fourth spot, and the foot >pedal sound does not close the hihat as I expected it would. Is there >something I'm missing? Do the sounds contain information that I am >overlooking which helps them interact with others in the kit? Hi Mike, Actually, it's currently a bit of a hack. I described the following in the 1A5 release notes (which I now realise isn't included in the current distribution anywhere, oops...): >- In the near future when the drum kit file format is improved it will be >possible to specify exactly which drum sounds should take precedence over >others. For now, drum sounds will take precedence over one another during >these two hard-coded conditions: a) the drums in question are hi-hats >(where the drum type name is "hi hat"), or b) the drums are of the same >type and one is muted (where the drum variant name contains the word >"muted"). If you are using only the supplied drum kits, and not creating >your own, this information is not pertinent to you. However, having said that and testing your example, compared with the code, I notice the above is slightly inaccurate: just having "hi hat" in the name isn't enough; currently only "hi hat" of variant "closed" shuts off the sound. However, what it says about "muted" is correct. So, for the time being, you can achieve the required effect by renaming "foot pedal" to something like "pedal muted" -- as long as the word "muted" is in there. It's an ugly hack, and I'll try to fix this ASAP (e.g. by including a checkbox in the kit editor to specify this, instead of relying on the name hack). I'm glad you brought this to my attention again. :) Does this make sense? >You've made some amazing progress lately. Thanks again. Glad you appreciate :) Thanks for the feedback! -b -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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Re: Mac sounds drumkit?
by Ben Kennedy 06 Apr '03

06 Apr '03

On 04 4 2003 at 7:32 pm -0500, Richard K.Ball wrote: >Has anybody thought of making a drum kit out of some of the pre-loaded >Mac sounds -the thumps, bumps, pongs, twangs, pings, etc.? > >I wouldn't mind trying, if I knew how to grab the Mac sounds and import >them into the drumkit. I haven't heard of this discussed before... that could be interesting! -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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Bass Drum
by Billy Krahl 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

Hi. I don't know how to create a new sound to add to Ben's Premiere Drum Kit (you can blame it on my deafness) but can anyone send me a deeper bass drum sound than the "Kick Drum"? Thanks. Billy IBM Software Tester--Dokimazo pas (translates to: test, examine, prove, or scrutinise all things) - 1 Thes 5:21

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Kit building
by zenbubblegum (jonathan wilson) 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

>Sndsampler (www.sndsampler.com) is an excellent tool for this job, >unfortunately there is no OSX version at present For sample editing, I particularly like Sound Studio 2.0 from Felt Tip Software. New version due shortly, but it's already OS X native. Cheers, Jonathan

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Fwd: [doggiebox] Has anyone gotten far with kit building?
by MATTYJOE＠aol.com 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

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Has anyone gotten far with kit building?
by Mike Carlyle 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

I'd like to speak with anyone that's successfully created a kit and been able to use it in a song. Ben's graphics (posted a few messages ago) have gone a long way towards making user kits a little more sensible to use. I've had problems with the sounds themselves, however. When editing sounds for use in a kit, is it better to snip them off very close to the end of the file, or is it better to leave them a little longer and let Doggiebox manage the start and end of the sound? Like I said, feel free to email me directly or just share your thoughts on the list.

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1.0.2 beta posted (1A10)
by Ben Kennedy 31 Mar '03

31 Mar '03

Hi all, A new beta version of Doggiebox is available for all registered users to download and play with. Here's what's new: - Added support for two new sound file formats: FastTracker 2 (XI) import and Portable Voice Format (PVF) import/export. - Fixed a problem where sound files with uppercase filename extensions (e.g. ".WAV" instead of ".wav") would not be recognized. - Added support for exporting the current selection, and added a menu command for playing the current selection. - Improved the export dialog to remember the most recently used file format. - Attempted to fix compatibility problem with BIAS Deck/Peak by adding HFS file type for exported AIFF and WAVE files -- does this work? Download it at <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1A10.sit>. Of particular interest to me is whether those of you using BIAS products continue to have problems using exported song files in Peak or Deck. I have been following the issue up on several fronts, and the best conclusion so far is that there are minor bugs in both the Finder and in the BIAS apps which sometimes incorrectly identify AIFF files generated by Doggiebox. I have made a change so that HFS type/creator tags are added to AIFF and WAV exported files, which may help various apps recognize the files properly despite the presence or lack of filename extension. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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Drum icons from Ben's Premier Kit
by Ben Kennedy 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

Hi all, I have posted an archive containing the images files I used for drum icons in the Ben's Premier Kit distributed with Doggiebox, per popular request. They're PDF's, and much bigger than they need to be; in retrospect, small TIFFs or GIFs would probably be more efficient. But here they are. http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/BensKitGraphics.sit Enjoy, -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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Re: [MAILER-DAEMON@reverb.zygoat.ca: failure notice]
by Ben Kennedy 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

On 21 3 2003 at 2:21 pm -0500, Will Benton wrote: >I am a subscriber (willb(a)cs.wisc.edu) but this message bounced. Can you >fix it? Will, any luck on this yet -- have you tried to re-subscribe? I'll answer your questions below since I haven't yet :) > 1. Are the icons that come with the stock kit available anywhere? Not at present, but I will post them, as a few people have asked. In the near future I want to improve the kit editor so that you can drag out the icons right from there. > 2. Is the dbkit format documented anywhere? It would be ultra > convenient if I could make a command-line utility to create > drum kits from directories of samples. The format is not documented publicly yet, though it is fairly straightforward based on Cocoa archive serialization. If you're familiar with cocoa and want to pursue this, I'd be happy to work with you. That's a neat idea. -b -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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The AIFF problem
by Ben Kennedy 21 Mar '03

21 Mar '03

Folks, Delving into this AIFF-output compatibility issue, it's starting to become apparent that there is likely a problem with both the Finder and BIAS Peak and Deck. I received this from BIAS tech support: >Known issue in Peak: >The open dialogue will often not allow you to open certain "legal" file type. >work around: set file type in open dialog to "all documents" NOT "all >known documents" or drag the file onto the Peak icon. Now, I still don't know why the Finder is sometimes showing Doggiebox's AIFF files as type AIFC. The files themselves do not contain any AIFC chunk, nor is the filename extension ".aifc". I don't know why the Finder wants to think they are AIFC. So in practice, it seems like this is a Peak/Deck issue. Question: has anyone had problems using AIFF output in any OTHER applications besides Deck/Peak? -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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28" Marching Bass Drum
by Billy Krahl 21 Mar '03

21 Mar '03

Hi Ben, I enjoy doggiebox. I am deaf and like to create some "deaf music" which means lots of kick drum beats. However, I need more power than kick drum. That is, more "feel" from the beat rather than "hear". How about 28" Marching Bass Drum? This "deafinitely" put a booming jolt thru the body! Does anyone have a kit for that to be used on doggie box? Billy IBM Software Tester--Dokimazo pas (translates to: test, examine, prove, or scrutinise all things) - 1 Thes 5:21

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