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Re: [Doggiebox] vst
by David Weisinger 08 May '06

08 May '06

Well, I'll have a look at this smpte, although I'm not really familiar with that (yet). In any case, thanks for the response. David --- Sage <sage(a)gypsycaravan.com> wrote: > Hm. So really, all you want is for Doggiebox to > start playing when > you hit the play button on your host. I'm not > certain, but you may be > able to do this with just a midi connection and the > IAC Driver > (basically just a software MIDI port) found in Audio > Midi Setup. > > Currently I have Doggiebox set up to output midi to > the IAC Driver, > which is automatically connected to Logic. This > lets me open Logic, > select an Instrument track, and load a sampler full > of drum samples. > Then I can work in Doggiebox and hear the drums in > Logic. What I have > noticed is that I have to turn off automatic smpte > reception in Logic > in order to keep Doggiebox from controlling Logic. > > What you want to do is go the other way. It's been > a while since I've > used Cubase SX, but I'll bet you can get smpte > output to the IAC > Driver. You can certainly have Doggiebox use the > IAC Driver as a midi > input. The question is whether you can connect > these so that when you > hit Play in Cubase, Doggiebox plays as well. > > So you may not even need VST or ReWire to do it. If > you're looking > for a higher level of integration, though, I would > bet that you'd have > a better chance getting ReWire support in Doggiebox, > since it is > already standalone and doesn't really fit the model > of a VST plugin. > > On 5/7/06, David Weisinger <d_weising(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > > It is a good question - how to reconcile this. > One > > way would be something like: > > > > Doggiebox is a 'slave' VST or other 'plugin' or > > something like that. Audio interfacing software > like > > cubase, pro logic etc have their own 'times'. > > > > The host application should have the 'master' > time. > > So db would sit inside the host application as a > slave > > (in terms of the time). When you press 'play' in > > cubase for example, your embedded db app starts as > > well. So they have to be synchronised and thats > all > > that has to happen. Once you have created your > drum > > section using db, just follow the same guidelines > for > > other midi created sections : ie export drums to > midi > > file, import back in as midi (into cubase) and > play > > back using some other VST plugin that specializes > in > > drum sounds. The final step would be to export > that > > as wave files before finally importing back in > again > > so you can better manipulate (for > reverb/compression > > etc) . I'm sure there are other ways it could > happen, > > but I'm just theorizing. > > > > What ya reckon about that ? And even if that is a > > good idea, whats the chance of the doggiebox dudes > > listening and saying, 'yeah - lets do that ' ?? > > > > Thanks for listening, > > > > David > > > > --- Sage <sage(a)gypsycaravan.com> wrote: > > > > > I understand this. But Doggiebox has its own > > > timeline and play > > > controls, completely independent of any external > > > hosts. I don't know > > > how you would reconcile the two -- for example, > how > > > would time > > > signature and tempo changes in Doggiebox affect > the > > > host, and > > > vice-versa? > > > > > > On 5/6/06, David Weisinger <d_weising(a)yahoo.com> > > > wrote: > > > > I'll explain it so that you never have > difficulty > > > > understanding it ever again! I am a > songwriter. > > > That > > > > means for me, I write my song first, then > worry > > > about > > > > drums. So, sure, a rewire would work too. > As > > > long > > > > as I can interactively hear my vocal and > guitar > > > and > > > > program the drums. > > > > > > > > It actually helps with composition too. You > write > > > a > > > > song, you put some drums in and along the way > > > realise > > > > that an extra bar is needed here and there, so > you > > > put > > > > the drums in, and re-record the song and keep > > > > repeating this until you are happy. From > cubase, > > > I > > > > used to do this with fruity loops, but I'm on > mac > > > now. > > > > Of course, doggiebox is its own app and thats > > > fine - > > > > it just makes it more powerful and maximises > its > > > > useage. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > --- Sage <sage(a)gypsycaravan.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Every now and again someone asks for this > and it > > > > > always seems totally > > > > > backwards to me. Doggiebox's strength is > not in > > > its > > > > > sound generation > > > > > but in its composition capabilities. If > > > anything, > > > > > Doggiebox should be > > > > > a VST or AU host, not a plugin. > > > > > > > > > > You can output to WAV or MIDI if you want to > > > import > > > > > your drum tracks > > > > > into Cubase. I do this with Logic and > highly > > > > > recommend it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/5/06, David Weisinger > <d_weising(a)yahoo.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > hi there. any plans to make doggiebox a > > > plugin so > > > > > > that I could for example, open cubase and > > > press > > > > > play > > > > > > and make my drums as I hear my guitar > playing > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Re: MIDI-style velocity settings for DB?
by Sterling Beckwith 07 May '06

07 May '06

This earlier suggestion strikes me as predictable, but not really all that practical. Rather than having to specify an exact value for each hit between 1 and 127--a lot of extra trouble that does little to produce a more lifelike percussion track--I would urge you all to consider the virtues of doing more with less. Have a look, for example, at the interesting French drumming program called Archibald, which substitutes PROBABILITY for MIDI's anally overdetermined numeric precision, and makes it easy to specify graphically a RANGE of possible velocities--also, a range of possible "locations" for each hit, and a range of likelihoods that the hit will actually occur! That already sounds a heck of a lot more like what most live drummers I've known actually do, especially in repeating or looping patterns, rather than insisting "this particular hit must always be exactly at velocity 73!" Indeed, I'd recommend everyone download the free demo of this program and play with it a little, before we faithful DB users try to push poor Ben any further into Just-Another-MIDI- Sequencer Land. -Sterling Beckwith

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vst
by David Weisinger 07 May '06

07 May '06

hi there. any plans to make doggiebox a plugin so that I could for example, open cubase and press play and make my drums as I hear my guitar playing ? Thanks, David __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Free sample alert!
by Michael Carlyle 02 May '06

02 May '06

http://www.pettinhouse.com/Yamaha_9000.zip I have not been doing much programming lately. Been playing in a cover band and it's been quite a fun little distraction. The link above looks like it might make a nice kit. Found the link on Version Tracker. There's also a brush kit available, but I have not tried that one.

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post this
by Normand Dionne 27 Apr '06

27 Apr '06

Hi. Ben suggested that I see what other users think of the following mod for DB velocity fader. Request for a taller velocity fader popup pane, as tall as the height of a "bar block" if possible. Presently, the fader is kinda hard to handle on laptops or small screen desktops. N.D.

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re: boxes
by Sterling Beckwith 13 Mar '06

13 Mar '06

What Sion's suggesting could be a big help. Have long felt need for another level of structural display between db's Sections and Playlist, to allow trial-and-revise work on overall design. His boxes offer a neat solution, provided they can be made fairly foolproof and easy to rearrange. -Sterling

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boxes
by Sion Morris 10 Mar '06

10 Mar '06

Hi Ben I use db a lot and have been thinking about the way I use it and the way songs and sections could be organised more graphically in the playlist. I don't know if anyone else feels that it can be difficult sometimes to keep track of the song structure. I find that I either make a whole track in one go with many variations which is then difficult to edit later, or I just do an easily editable track but with no variations. My suggestion is to show the song structure as it currently is, but to show the sections used in the playlist elements as blocks - you could then instantly see for example that the intro is one block of 4 bars, the chorus, 4 ; verse, 4 etc. The blocks could be labeled numerically and with shortened labels so the user can keep track of where each bit is in relation to everything else. You could then make as many variations as you like in the sections box and still have a complete overview of the song I've photoshopped a rough visual of my idea for you to look at here: http://82.42.121.47/~sion/Files/music/Doggieboxsuggestion.jpg Cheers Sion Morris Liverpool www.cinnamondesign.co.uk/music/music.html -------------------------------------------

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1.3 is out!
by Ben Kennedy 09 Mar '06

09 Mar '06

Yall, After almost a year and a half since the last official release, 1.3 is finally on the public shelf. Download here and share with all your friends: <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox.dmg> Notable changes since the last (1E13) beta include a pasting bug reported by Charlie, as well as extensive updates to the documentation, which is also now set up to open in the Apple Help Viewer. And now, new and good things begin... enjoy, -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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Echomethod drum samples
by Ben Kennedy 23 Feb '06

23 Feb '06

Yall, I've just added a link to the Library page for <http:// www.echomethod.com>, a site housing an extensive selection of drum sample collections that can be purchased by paypal. There is also a free kit available for download. I am not affiliated with this site, but the author e-mailed me about it and requested the link. It looks like it could be a good resource for building Doggiebox kits. I have yet to try any of them out, but if anyone beats me to it (or puts together a .dbkit), feel free to share! -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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1E13 posted, plus quick survey
by Ben Kennedy 02 Feb '06

02 Feb '06

Yall, New build at <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1E13.tbz> What's new: - Select All now selects full bars instead of beat subdivisions. - When changing an existing drum to a different variant, the current velocity is preserved. - Time signature is now editable via keyboard in the inspector. Okay, it's about time 1.3 is kicked out to the world. So here's the plan. I am going to update the documentation as a next step, and hope to announce the release by the end of next week. After that point, I want to branch the code tree and begin working more aggressively with larger changes for an eventual 2.0 release. While you're reading this, I'd appreciate if you would answer an extremely-short three-question survey at to help me get an idea of current Doggiebox usage patterns. Please visit <http:// www.doggiebox.com/beta/febquest.php>; it should take you about five seconds. :) In the Chinese calendar, 2006 is the Year of the Dog. I'm hoping that some renewed enthusiasm will see through some faster progress. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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about 1E12
by Håkon Pettersen 19 Jan '06

19 Jan '06

Hi there, Two things appeared instantly as I'm trying out the newest beta. If I have one bar of 4/4, the inspector showes the numbers 4 and 4, and these numbers are possible to highlight, but it's not possible to edit numbers by numpad, I would like that. (theoreticly, every second bar with 12/8 and 3/4 is a lot of klicking on those arrows). Second, I have assigned some keyboard shortcuts to the ns kit, and if I want to switch between open and closed hihat (good thing this is possible without having to go throug another drum first! :) the "velocity" returns to the lowest every time I switch. It would be nice if it returned to the previous "velocity". I'm quite exited about the next full build, I'm totally dependent on, and addicted to Doggiebox:) Haakon

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The veiled drumbeat
by Dan Costello 18 Jan '06

18 Jan '06

> the problem still remains ... > I made tests with all the betas from 1E8 to 1E12 - all with no luck. Only other guess I have-- did you switch kits at any point while working with this file? I foggily remember something like this happening to me early on. I'd love to see the file-- please send it to stellaswindow(a)earthlink.net Thanks, Dan

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non accessible drumhits
by Thorsten Kummer 18 Jan '06

18 Jan '06

Hi folks, I'm struggling with the following problem: - Song: 4/4, 135 bpm - drumkit: Ludwig V2 I can't see and edit some of my previous inserted drum-hits because the maximal zoom stage seems not to be enough for viewing/editing them. I can see the grey squares indicating that there's something but can't access them. I created the stuff a few days ago, wanted to go on yesterday - with no luck. What am I doing wrong? Bye Thorsten

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Re: non accessible drumhits
by Dan Costello 16 Jan '06

16 Jan '06

On Jan 16, 2006, at 10:00 AM, Thorsten wrote: > > I'm struggling with the following problem: > > - Song: 4/4, 135 bpm > - drumkit: Ludwig V2 > > I can't see and edit some of my previous inserted drum-hits... > What am I doing wrong? I've had this happen when I'm at a zoom level that allows me to add triplet rhythms. The fractions just don't work out to display the hits sometimes, even when you think next "wider" zoom level would help. I agree with Charlie, try going back up a level or three and see if they show up. Dan

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Re: Adding audio to Doggiebox Version 2
by Sterling Beckwith 07 Jan '06

07 Jan '06

> The main issue as I see it is when you have the audio in DB, and for > arguments sake, you want to listen to bars 78 to 82 to see what is > needed. The audio would need to sync here. One for Ben's magic I > guess : - ) I wonder if Ben might not have more important things to do for us. Isn't combining various tracks from various sources--e.g. audio with MIDI, or with DB--what the bigtime sequencing programs like GB, Reason, Live, etc. are all about? Rather than clutter up a great percussion-composing program with extras that don't really do the whole job anyhow, wouldn't it make more sense to let one of the big boys do the synchronizing, and just switch back and forth between the sequencer and DB when needed to tweak the drum parts? -Sterling

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1.3 beta build 1E12 posted!
by Ben Kennedy 05 Jan '06

05 Jan '06

Hey folks, After suffering various distractions the past several months, things are starting to get back on track with the Doggie. Please avail yourselves at <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1E12.tbz> of the latest build. Continuing on trying to fix the recent edit/selection woes, I've again changed and hopefully improved semantics in the pattern editor to provide more versatile control over selecting, copying and pasting of both whole bars and drums within bars: - Clicking in the header region of a bar will once again select the bar as a whole unit, for editing behaviour (cut, copy, paste) like in previous versions of Doggiebox. - Holding the Option key to click while mousing over the header region will produce the beat-selection cursor, allowing you to select and manipulate the drums of individual beat subdivisions without disrputing the song structure, like in recent beta builds. - In either mode, you can hold Shift to extend a selection or Command to make discontiguous selections. Thank you everybody for your continuing input on this. I hope these changes improve both usability and flexibility; I'm looking forward to your feedback. The Edit and Song menus have been slightly re-organized and some key shortcuts have been re-assigned (hint: look at the Edit menu and press Shift). Also, there's been some minor re-arrangement of the song window; in particular, the zoom buttons have moved to the floating inspector which I think make more sense. Things of lesser note: Right- or control-clicking on a drum to change velocity no longer requires command key to be pressed. Added support for exporting to Apple CoreAudio File (CAF) format (courtesy of libsndfile 1.0.12). Also, fixed a few memory leaks. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca

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sample rate!
by Carl Edlund Anderson 08 Dec '05

08 Dec '05

So, having made a bunch of kit icons and stuff, I just ran into my first funky problem in trying to make a ns_kit7full dbkit. ns_kit7 has 48KHz/24bit samples, and Doggiebox politely pops up a box warning me that he only supports 44.1, and I should convert my sample :) So, my question to Ben: Any plans to support sample rates other than 44.1 (such as, for example 48 :) ?? Failing that, can anyone recommend a good tool to decently batch- convert a _lot_ of WAV files? :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/

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Lost my registration key
by Thorsten Kummer 11 Nov '05

11 Nov '05

Hi everybody, I need to install doggiebox on a new machine. Unfortunately I can't find my registration key that came via e-mail. Where to get a new one? I already e-mailed zygoat software - no answer until now .... Thanks in advance Thorsten

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(no subject)
by Sion Morris 03 Nov '05

03 Nov '05

Hi Jim What happened to your website? and have you recorded any new songs lately - I liked the songs you posted yonks ago - especially 'Sorry' Sion Morris Liverpool www.cinnamondesign.co.uk/music/music.html ------------------------------------------- > So far, so good on my G4 Cube, running 10.4.3.. :) > > > > --- Carl Edlund Anderson <cea(a)carlaz.com> wrote: > > >> >> Gee, it's been quiet here recently .... >> >> Anyway, does anyone (Ben?) know any reason why DB >> shouldn't keep >> trucking along on newly updated OSX 10.4.3? >> >> Cheers, >> Carl >> >> -- >> Carl Edlund Anderson >> mailto:cea@carlaz.com >> http://www.carlaz.com/

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OK on 10.4.3?
by Carl Edlund Anderson 02 Nov '05

02 Nov '05

Gee, it's been quiet here recently .... Anyway, does anyone (Ben?) know any reason why DB shouldn't keep trucking along on newly updated OSX 10.4.3? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea@carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/

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(no subject)
by Sion Morris 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

Nice song Mike. I'd echo what Carl said - I think you can dispose of your vocalist - your voice is in fact great! You remind me a bit of Michael Stipe. Its particularly good when the harmonies come in. Seriously, you should be singing as well as playing. I banged this on my mp3 player this evening, set to 'repeat' and had it on a loop for ages and can't really find any fault. Its the best example yet of a believable 'real drummer' sound - that technique of slight speedup works really well. I'll be looking again at the nskit - it has a great 'clean studio sound. Any chance you could send the drum db over for me to look at for tips? Cheers Sion Morris Liverpool www.cinnamondesign.co.uk/music/music.html ------------------------------------------- > http://webpages.charter.net/mcarlyle/sounds/comealive-01.mp3 > > My singer didn't show up so I gave it a go myself. I don't know if > I'll be doing much more of this kind of singing. I'm going through the > "I hate my voice" thing. > > The drums are all Doggiebox using nskit v.7. I really like the polish > and natural feel of this kit. I need to tone the toms down a little > bit, but one thing at a time. This is an example of "pushing the > tempo" during the chorus to make the thing feel a little more human. > > I had posted this before, but at the time it had no vocals and was > fairly bare bones. This is an all new version using my new gear (MXL > 990 mic, M-Audio monitors, Tascam US-122 interface, Fender Pro > Junior... the list goes on.

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Overdrive
by Sion Morris 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

Just been recording last night and found the Ludwig iii sounds really beefy when some Overdrive (and slight reverb) is added in Garageband. Sion Morris Liverpool www.cinnamondesign.co.uk/music/music.html -------------------------------------------

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DB, Cubase, tempo, and MIDI
by Carl Edlund Anderson 23 Sep '05

23 Sep '05

This is only partially related to Doggiebox, but it's been quiet here, so I thought I'd post about it anyway. I had been yearning for audio interface for my iBook, and finally settled on a Tascam US-122 (which, having heard Mike Carlyle's excellent results, seemed likely to give good results without breaking the bank). It came with Cubase LE, and I've been having fun poking around with that. One of the things I've been trying to figure out how to do easily is create a "groove map" for a piece has subtle tempo changes so that Cubase will know where those changes occur and be able to use its MIDI quantize functions correctly if I were then to layer MIDI instrument tracks into the piece. So, I've created my DB drum track and have a fine two-channel stereo AIFF that I can import into Cubase. In this I guess I have some advantage over a recording of a real drummer, since I know exactly where and how great all the tempo changes are. Cubase has some kind of "find audio hitpoints" function that's supposed to scan my audio file and figure out where the beats are -- I'm just not sure how well that will work, since there are after all different amounts of drumming at different times and I haven't just got a techno kick drum whacking away at 1-2-3-4 throughout. I was wondering if I might be able to take advantage of DB's clever option to output a MIDI file. If I loaded that MIDI file into Cubase, presumably there's some way for Cubase to pull tempo changes from the MIDI file, and I could use that as a kind of "master" tempo map so that I could later quantize my shaky keyboard playing or whatever. I could just mute the MIDI drum file itself and have audio provided by my AIFF file exported from DB. Any Cubase wizards here have any ideas about how perhaps to approach this? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea@carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/

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heavy metal/hard rock drums
by Sam Hansen 09 Sep '05

09 Sep '05

can anyone out there help me im into making heavy music and was wondering if anyone has a drum kit on doggiebox that would suit this style of music cheers sam

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70sLudwigKitXXX
by Sion Morris 25 Aug '05

25 Aug '05

Great new kit David You're right - Its like an improved vi kit - which is good for me as I've been veering back to that one lately. You've added loads of imaginative additions which adds to the 'real drummer' result. I think some of your ideas should be taken up by others who are thinking of constructing a kit. Thanks for taking the time to do this and for remembering about my request for the tambourine L & R hits too - fits really well in the kit. Like the Cutouts tracks especially the third. Actually this goes back to something someone else said a few weeks ago on the list - that a real live drummer plays like a (musical) instrument - responding to the other musicians throuought the track. Nice logo for the cutouts too! A half-finished demo is on my site using viii (in conjunction with a retro yamaha keyboard drum sound!) Cheers Sion Morris Liverpool www.cinnamondesign.co.uk/music/music.html ------------------------------------------- > hi folks, > > i have finally found some time to assemble the third in the > 70sLudwigKit series. this definitely sucks less than the vII kit. > of course, no one drum sound fits all tastes so your mileage may vary. > > the compressed zip file is ~20MB and the uncompressed kit is a > whopping 100+MB. there's 80 or so individual sounds. i made new > icons, with screwy combinations of iconography and color to make > things a bit more readable (at least to me). > > the sad news is that this is the last in the line... i sold the kit. > > enjoy! and let me know what you think. a test arrangement is > included. sort of a sped-up tweaked-out bo diddley kinda thing. > > here's the link: > > http://www.slugworth.com/ludwig/ > > (ben feel free to cross-post on www.doggiebox.com if you like). > > cheers, > david. >

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