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New beta release (universal binary)
by Ben Kennedy 12 Jan '08

12 Jan '08

Hey folks, Here's a Christmas- (or other choice holiday-) season gift for you all, at long last! Changes in this build (1F2) since version 1.3.1 (1E15): ? Now a Universal Binary (will run natively on Intel-based Macs). Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) is now required. ? The framework for loading and saving sound file on disk has been replaced with entirely new code. Known issues: ? Sound playback is inconsistent under Mac OS 10.5 (Leopard). ? Exporting to some file types (e.g. MP3) does not work properly. Areas for testing: Please make backup copies of your song and drum kit files before re- saving them with this version of Doggiebox, particularly if running on an Intel-based Mac. With this in mind, please test to make sure that files you create with this build still open and work properly in Doggiebox 1.3.1. Please also verify sound file importing and exporting and note any problems with compatibility of output files or the user interface. Download at <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1F2.zip> The move to Univeral Binary has meant increasing the minimum supported Mac OS version from 10.3 (Panther) to 10.4 (Tiger). This is a side effect of portability; put simply, the routines that Doggiebox has used since 1.0 for handling sound files (a library called libsndfile by Erik de Castro Lopo) is hard to build for both PowerPC and Intel without involving two physically different computers. Fortunately, starting in 10.4, the Mac OS has provided similar sound-file services. Thus I made the decision to retire libsndfile in favour of the OS-provided code. Aside from the Universal Binary build, this is the new major change in this build. The playback problems under Leopard still persist for the moment, but I will be addressing those next. I appreciate the words that several of you have sent to me and the list lately. As stated previously I've been busy juggling new opportunities recently but I do hope to become more involved again. Happy holidays everybody! -ben -- Ben Kennedy (chief magician) zygoat creative technical services http://www.zygoat.ca

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Another beta (playback fixed under Leopard)
by Ben Kennedy 04 Jan '08

04 Jan '08

Yall, Between sips of egg nog, if you have musical leisure time you may wish to try this latest build wherein I believe I have fixed the playback problems under Mac OS 10.5 Leopard (though be advised I have not yet taken the time to verify under Tiger). <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1F3.zip> Merry Christmas everybody, -ben -- Ben Kennedy (chief magician) zygoat creative technical services http://www.zygoat.ca

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percussion oriented "drum set"?
by michael wall 14 Nov '07

14 Nov '07

aloha brand new to this group can anyone direct me to a doggiebox compatible drumkit that has percussionist oriented instruments like conga slap, tone and bass, clave, shaker, high and low bells, etc thanks! -- Michael Wall Beauty and strength, leaping laughter, delicious languor, force and fire are of us! 3934-A Harding Ave, Honolulu, HI 96816 (808) 737-3786 H 377-3786 C

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A brief hello... Yes, it's me!
by Ben Kennedy 01 Nov '07

01 Nov '07

Hey folks, For the moment, this is a quick note to acknowledge my continued existence and shed some insight on what's been going on with me and Doggiebox lately. About a year ago I made a decision to move from Ottawa ON to Vancouver BC to take a year of film school. This was motivated by various personal and career-related things, which I might try to muse more upon later. While I expected my involvement with Doggiebox to take a dip over this time, I didn't foresee it being so severe. I have been keeping a partial eye on the mailing list, and handling sales-support related requests, but as it turns out I've been able to do little more than the basics over this period. Suffice it to say that the past several months have kept me extremely busy. It has never been my deliberate intent to abandon Doggiebox, nor to let it languish without development (or at least contact on this mailing list) for so long as it has. I would like to express my gratitude to all of you who have nurtured and maintained this Doggiebox community in the mean time. And rest assured I do take your enthusiasm as encouragement for future development; indeed, there is much more that I've wanted to do with Doggiebox for quite awhile, and I'm optimistic that the time is nearing where I will be able to sink my teeth in again. Regarding Leopard compatibility: I apologize for not having been able to mitigate the breakage ahead of time, and I certainly intend to remedy this as a top priority. More from me soon. (happy halloween!) -ben -- Ben Kennedy (chief magician) zygoat creative technical services http://www.zygoat.ca

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Re: [Doggiebox] Doggiebox Digest, Vol 49, Issue 3
by David Sampson 31 Oct '07

31 Oct '07

Guys, First, my reference to Doug was a confusion in my own mind. I was using a music scoring tool (MuseEdit) that was developed by Doug Rogers, that like DB fell by the wayside. So apologies for the confusion. Second, I still LOVE the DB grid UI. Funny how no one out there has replicated it. That's why I share your concerns and would like to see DB survive. This was some great work, but it is nearing 2 years since it was updated. Third: I bit the bullet and bought Strike from DigiDesign. As an electronic drummer, it sounds incredible. However, the pattern editor is not very good. It could sure use a DB makeover. Also, it only works with Pro Tools. I have that and just bought Logic Studio (mainly for all the bundled instruments - PT is still my preferred music sequencer). The bad news is right now PT doesn't work on leopard. Digidesign is going to release an update, but that could be a month from now (for all I know). Logic wouldn't start on leopard until I renamed the Rewire folders in the application support folders. Fourth: I have also bought several drum loop packages from Betamonkeymusic.com . These are high quality, and if you watch the specials, you can get them at a very good price. He also has samples that you can map to DB. Hopefully, we will hear something about DB soon. regards dave > Basically, I am ready to upgrade to Leopard, but I > won't until I have > a decent software drum solution. > > I don't suppose any new products have appeared on > the market that work > as well as DoggieBox? (Or even almost as good as > DoggieBox?) I am > still surprised there aren't similarly designed > products out there. It > really is a great product. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [Doggiebox] Doggie Box on Leopard
by Carl Edlund Anderson 31 Oct '07

31 Oct '07

On 30 Oct 2007, at 19:22 , Michael Carlyle wrote: > I would not expect DB to go open source. That's the product > management equivalent of giving away the keys to the storeroom. If > it really is a Zygoat flagship product, how does one expect them to > profit in anyway by opening up the code to the world? I wouldn't expect DB to go Open Source either -- though at the moment I can't help but think that, regardless of what's in the storeroom, the store front is looking a bit unattended .... :/ Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/

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Re: [Doggiebox] Doggie Box on Leopard
by ComposersNewPencil 31 Oct '07

31 Oct '07

Hello there. I am a Doggie Box user and I also share your concerns. I've been wondering when that update will come, or if it's going to come at all. I run a music composition site and forum, and it just occurred to me that I could open a forum exclusively for Doggie Box users. That's if some of you are interested. Even if it's only four or five of us, we could share some tips and tricks. Well just an idea. Let me know what you guys think. Anyway, I would hate for this little program to become obsolete. It's really a handy little tool. Regards, Fabrizio M. http://www.composersnewpencil.com

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Re: [Doggiebox] Doggie Box on Leopard
by Mark Cain 31 Oct '07

31 Oct '07

I emailed the info email given on the zygoat site about this. Basically, I am ready to upgrade to Leopard, but I won't until I have a decent software drum solution. I don't suppose any new products have appeared on the market that work as well as DoggieBox? (Or even almost as good as DoggieBox?) I am still surprised there aren't similarly designed products out there. It really is a great product. Mark

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Doggie Box on Leopard
by David Sampson 30 Oct '07

30 Oct '07

Michael, I have tried it too and it behaves as you described i.e. un-useable. I also looked in the log file and saw several memory leak exceptions listed. I share your disappointment. I really love Doggie Box's user interface and had hoped, like others on this list, that additional functionality and universal binaries would be added over time. I guess the revenue flow has decreased to where Doug isn't interested anymore. Doggie Box was written as a Carbon application (judging from the log file output). So to progress forward, it would need to be made Cocoa based as a minimum. Don't know if Doug has any plans for that. However, if Doug truly views this as dead, would he consider releasing the code as open source? Doug? thanks dave > 1. Doggiebox with Leopard? (Michael McFarland > Watson) > > > Hey all, > > Has anyone tried Doggiebox under the new version of > Mac OS? One of my > friends just installed Leopard and Doggiebox has > massive audio > latency issues (aka the sound skips horribly) and > even when not in > use it was taking up 50% of his Macbook Pro's CPU. > > I use doggiebox all the time, and it would be > unfortunate to lose > that ability upon upgrading. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [Doggiebox] Facing DB's Future
by Sterling Beckwith 29 Oct '07

29 Oct '07

Hey guys, that's a good start! Some key issues affecting all users of "homemade" special-purpose software are already surfacing here. For example, how many of us tend to assume that just because we happen to use a particular program, we are somehow entitled to receive regular updates from some unseen hand, preferably without charge? Or that the process of improving any software program is mostly a matter of adding a few more cool features? How many users, let alone user communities, actually feel some responsibility for assuring the survival of "their" program on the software market, or have any appreciation of what establishing and maintaining the marketability of such a specialized software product as this one entails? Theses days we are used to taking our clean water for granted, without ever coming anywhere near knowing or paying its actual costs. We are used to grabbing lots of "free" software off the internet, and lots of "free" music and video and images too. Good tools are however seldom free, and they tend to evolve slowly, with significant amounts of help from their earliest users. We may lose this one if we cannot figure out together how to keep it alive. -Sterling

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Re: [Doggiebox] A song using a Sonor kit
by Michael Carlyle 12 Sep '07

12 Sep '07

Umm... that was mine. You're talking about the song called "Footprints". I'm sensitive to the F bomb in the latter part of the song. But, it's only the one place, and Kevin sings it like he means it. In other words, it doesn't come across (to me, anyway) as being overly gratuitous, or just thrown in for the sake of it. It's the only song of ours where that happens, and I was willing to let it slide, since it seemed to come from a place of integrity, if that makes any sense. A real drummer is a possibility. We're working on about five songs right now, including a remake of one we did years ago. Call it an EP, I guess. Not concerned about commercial exposure at the moment. A dream of mine is to quit my cover band, and throw a unit together that consisted of really good solid musicians, then take this music to our local scene. We might not make any money, but I really want to share this music live. I will post more as it develops. And your 2 cents is always welcome, Patrick. Patrick O'Donoghue wrote: > Hey Corey, > > I don't know if you saw my email when you first posted this song, but I wanted to tell you that this is one of the best songs I've heard in a long time. The drums sound good, but maybe it'd be worth bringing the track to a studio for a real drummer. > That song should be on the radio. > If I heard it, I'd want to look into checking out the band and seeing what the album sounded like. I'm an old school rock fan, but lately (the last ten years) I've been into Son Volt, Neko Case, Steve Earle, My Morning Jacket and the like. > > Not that you asked for my 2 cents, but, for what it's worth, my only issue with it is the "F" word appearing in it; I'm no prude mind you, I'm a blue-collar Jersey guy who lives in NYC, and I've worked in music licensing in TV advertising for over ten years...aside from the commercial issue of it, personally I've always felt that use of words like that in songs come across as either trying too hard, or maybe it just overshadows the real emotion of the song. At the very least it would limit its ability to get radio airplay (if there is such a thing any more). > The guitars are great, the vocals are great, the harmonies are great. It's a great song. > > Thanks for posting it on the Doggiebox list and let us know when you have some more stuff to share. > > Take care, > > Patrick > _________________________________________________________________ > More photos; more messages; more whatever – Get MORE with Windows Live™ Hotmail®. NOW with 5GB storage. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migrati… >

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automatic repetition of edits, why?
by Eve Edelson 02 Sep '07

02 Sep '07

New (paid-up) user here, having fun. The icons are charming. Something odd: I put in a few bars, then copied & pasted them to have some patterns to play with. Then when I enter a note, it's automagically pasted not only into the bar I'm editing, but the matching bar of the next (repeated) sequence. It's like whatever I do happens in two places at once. Not sure how to de-link them, the original sequence and its copy. I haven't found a reference to this in the Help or the archives. Is it a bug or a feature? Also, is it possible to copy just one voice? I am enjoying the sound files you all have posted. There's talent here!

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Facing DB's Future
by Sterling Beckwith 26 Jul '07

26 Jul '07

Isn't it time those of us who still read this list started a thread to discuss (perhaps even to help design and strategize) the future of Doggiebox itself? Where is it positioned now? What further improvements are most needed? What are its prospects of generating sufficient cash flow to warrant making those and other improvements? How can current users help? etc. etc. Please do at least signal if you agree something of the sort is needed. -Sterling

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Re: [Doggiebox] A song using a Sonor kit
by mcarlyle＠charter.net 25 Jul '07

25 Jul '07

I would love to share the kit, but would first like for anyone to validate that I indeed got the samples from a legitimate, royalty free source. I'm almost sure they were a free download, or that someone on the list sent a link to all. Thanks for listening. ---- Sion Morris <sionwm(a)cinnamondesign.co.uk> wrote: > Like it. The production is really excellent. I'm glad you have been > able to get together with your lyricist friend. You create some very > good original songs together. The middle 8 is nice and the song > writing and guitar work is very good as usual. You've mixed the drums > in at just the right level I think. They certainly are believable - > and, like come alive, have a "Mike Carlyle' sound to them especially > the fills and the pause/fill towards the end [Does anyone else think > that even as non 'real' drummers, we have a drumming style?] > > I've always thought the ns was just a little too 'studio' sounding - > you are right about the toms and the Sonor ones are a lot better. > > Good luck with Foolish U. Sounds like fun. > > You've wetted my appetite with the new kit any chance you could post > up a link for us other doggieboxers? I generally use the Yamaha kit - > which I think also originated from a link you posted, but its always > good to have a range of kits available :) > > All the best > > Sion > > Sion Morris > Liverpool > > www.sionsmusic.cinnamondesign.co.uk > ------------------------------------------- > > > On 23 Jul 2007, at 23:35, Michael Carlyle wrote: > > > I can't for the life of me recall where I found these Sonor samples. I > > decided I needed a kit that sounded fuller than the nskit 7 that had > > become my go-to kit. The nskit toms are too "snappy" with no following > > resonance in the deeper tones. I can't get them to sound good > > anymore. I > > built a Sonor Kit last month and have started testing it. > > > > Anyway, I've gotten myself a Yamaha AW1600 and have started recording > > again with a singer/lyricist friend. I look for free moments between > > real life and gigs with my cover band. > > > > A song called Footprints can be found here. Let me know what you > > think, > > and if you "believe" the drums. > > > > http://www.foolishu.com/sounds/footprints.mp3 > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- > > Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> > > To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: > > <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> > To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: > <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox>

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Re: [Doggiebox] A song using a Sonor kit
by mcarlyle＠charter.net 25 Jul '07

25 Jul '07

Blending kits! Great idea. Have you shared this before? I'll have to give it a try. ---- Corey Knafelz <corey.knafelz(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > A song called Footprints can be found here. Let me know what you think, > > and if you "believe" the drums. > > > > http://www.foolishu.com/sounds/footprints.mp3 > > > > This is a good song man. The drums have a real enough feel. For some reason, > it reminds me a bit of the Lazy Cowgirls. This new kit sounds good. I agree > on the nskit. I always make a duplicate of the songs programmed using the > nskit and blend two versions of exported aiff files — usually with the Tama > Swingstar — for "oomph". > > Cheers, > Corey

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A song using a Sonor kit
by Michael Carlyle 25 Jul '07

25 Jul '07

I can't for the life of me recall where I found these Sonor samples. I decided I needed a kit that sounded fuller than the nskit 7 that had become my go-to kit. The nskit toms are too "snappy" with no following resonance in the deeper tones. I can't get them to sound good anymore. I built a Sonor Kit last month and have started testing it. Anyway, I've gotten myself a Yamaha AW1600 and have started recording again with a singer/lyricist friend. I look for free moments between real life and gigs with my cover band. A song called Footprints can be found here. Let me know what you think, and if you "believe" the drums. http://www.foolishu.com/sounds/footprints.mp3

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Universal binary for Intel Macs?
by Sage 02 May '07

02 May '07

It occurs to me that no one has said anything about support for the new Intel Macs. Is there a plan to compile Doggiebox as a universal binary? Has it been done already and nobody's said anything?

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Am I being picky?
by Michael Carlyle 27 Mar '07

27 Mar '07

With the purchase of a Tascam 2488 MKII on the horizon, I'm starting to get some drum tracks in order. I'll still program drums on the Mac, then dump an exported audio file into the 2488. I'll probably program a scratch track just to make sure the timing works, then go back and polish up the drum tracks as a last step. So... I've been noticing that the Yamaha kit has some really nice sounds. The NS Kit that I've spent so much time putting together sounds small and compressed by comparison. I like the variety I've put into the NS Kit, but now I'm not sure I like the sounds. Has anyone else noticed this? I can't remember wether the original NS Kit sounds were like this, or if I manipulated them in some misguided way.

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Re: [Doggiebox] Am I being picky?
by Sion Morris 27 Mar '07

27 Mar '07

No problem - By the way the url for finding the samples to download on the web pops up when you open the kit in db. but for extra safety - this is it: > Get the samples for Yamaha 9000 from: http://www.pettinhouse.com > (direct link: http://www.pettinhouse.com/Yamaha_9000.zip) Once you have downloaded the samples DB should ask you for them - or use the fix links button. Cheers again Sion On 27 Mar 2007, at 17:26, Ednor Therriault wrote: > Thanks, Sion--I really appreciate it. > ~ Ednor > > > Sion Morris Liverpool www.sionsmusic.cinnamondesign.co.uk -------------------------------------------

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Anybody out there?
by Carl Edlund Anderson 13 Mar '07

13 Mar '07

Having gotten my Doggiebox list membership reminder, I thought I'd just give a shout-out to see if the list is still alive -- as much in hopes of rousing Ben from silence as anything else :) Ben, are you there? Is DB alive? dead? sleeping? furiously dreaming of chasing rabbits? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea@carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/

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Some new feature ideas
by Jon Stubbs 01 Feb '07

01 Feb '07

I'm here. I recently subscribed to get some pre-purchase info before getting a site license. I've postponed purchase because it just doesn't feel like it's "up & running" enough for me to jump in. But I'm still open to the idea of getting it. Jon

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doggie box in the 7th grade!
by Charlotte Browne 01 Feb '07

01 Feb '07

hey i think i'm in a little different "category" than everyone else but you all should know that doggiebox is alive and well in my 7th grade music classes. i use it as a compositional tool to teach form, repetition and pattern. the kids love being virtual drummers - they create percussion compositions for their parents on parent conference day - the parents are always impressed! rock on charlotte browne middle school music teacher thayer academy massachusetts

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anybody use doggie box with logic ?
by Brian Myrick 12 Dec '06

12 Dec '06

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Some new feature ideas
by Jon Stubbs 04 Dec '06

04 Dec '06

I'm brand new to this list, and may be completely restating the obvious, or rehashing that which has been said on this list many times before (forgive that). As I just skim the surface of Doggie Box, my first wish is that the display (which is already very much like drum notation) would perhaps use the positioning that is typical of drum notation Or... that we can simply take a five-line staff (with some extended "ledger lines" above and below) and we can pick which sounds will be positioned where on that staff. I don't think we would need to bother with any actual note symbols or values. Note-heads could simply be black note heads, X's, or circled X's. Another refinement could be that if two sounds share the same position on the staff, then that position would be monophonic-- i.e. the closed high-hat would interupt the open-high-hat. A check box could be added to allow things like ride-cymbals to keep ringing. The other major request that I have would be to allow beats to be divided in some more unconventional ways. So rather than allowing only the usual beat (sub) divisions, allow the beat to be divided in any whole number from 2 through 16. Beyond that, I've been enjoying my first few sessions with DB. I'm still debating about whether to take the plunge yet. Jon

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London Calling Files
by David Sampson 29 Nov '06

29 Nov '06

Guys, I'm glad to see the interest in the group. I'll zip up the various files this weekend and post them on my iMac at home. Then I can just post the URL for you. I can package up the DoggieBox kit, the Aiff file for London Calling, the DoggieBox file for London Calling and the Pro Tools project. I'll break it all up so you're not stuck with a big download. On London Calling, I put the rhythm guitar part but not the lead in the middle. If I get time, I'll learn that and record it in there. There is no vocal track. So if any of you want to take a crack at it, please do - to sound like the Clash singer, it probably helps if you smoke 10 packs of Marboros per day :) Just curious, do any of you use Pro Tools? I can probably export the files to GarageBand if you'd like it in that format too. dave ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited

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