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1G03 posted
by Ben Kennedy 29 Jun '09

29 Jun '09

Hey all, New build at <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1G03.zip> : - Undo/redo is now available for all editing actions in the drum kit editor, as well as multi-row selection for copy/paste and drag & drop operations. - Fixed "New Drum Kit" command (broken in 1G02). - Fixed a bug that could occasionally cause audio exporting to do nothing (1G02 and earlier). I've tested the latest functionality (multi-track export, etc.) under both 10.4 and 10.5 on ppc, without problems. If you guys who were experiencing problems or crashes are still seeing them with this build, please let me know. Have a great weekend, -ben -- Ben Kennedy (chief magician) zygoat creative technical services http://www.zygoat.ca

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1G02: kit editor overhaul and named groups
by Ben Kennedy 18 Jun '09

18 Jun '09

Hey all, Happy iPhone OS 3.0 day; I enjoyed listening to my office-mates squeal with glee all day long at the upgrade! For those (like me) who don't yet have an iPhone, how about a new Doggiebox build instead? Here's what's new: - First phase in a major overhaul of the drum kit editor. The main drum kit table view has been replaced with a column-based view, allowing more visual organization of the drum kit contents. Items may be re-ordered using drag-and-drop (currently under Mac OS X 10.5 only), and renamed by double-clicking. - Filenames created during multi-track audio export now reflect group names, as configurable in the drum kit editor. - Fixed a spurious "file already exists" message when exporting multi- track audio. - Fixed a crash during audio exporting. - Fixed a crash when zooming out too far in the pattern editor. - Fixed a crash that could occur when loading a drum kit with missing or damaged sound files. Download at <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1G02.zip> Feedback as usual is welcome. Note that I have not recently tested this under 10.4, but problem reports are welcome. I will need to do more work to enable drag/drop support in the kit editor under 10.4 if there is demand. -ben -- Ben Kennedy (chief magician) zygoat creative technical services http://www.zygoat.ca

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New build 1G01 with multi-track export
by Ben Kennedy 08 Jun '09

08 Jun '09

Hey all, I'm pleased to finally post the first in what I hope to be an evolving series of testing/development builds over the coming while... and to start off, I have taken a preliminary tackle of a much-requested feature: multi-track export! Grab it at <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1G01.zip> There is a new menu command, "Export Multiple Tracks", whose function should be mostly self-explanatory: specify a filename of "Test.aiff" (for example) and Doggiebox will create files "Test 1.aiff" through "Test 5.aiff", each corresponding to a mix of only those instruments appearing in the corresponding grid line in the editor. This should help facilitate post-production and alleviate a lot of the tedium that people have had to deal with when trying to export drum tracks in pieces. I'm interested to hear about how this seems to work in practice, and whether more refined levels of control are necessary (e.g. for splitting up the mix). -ben -- Ben Kennedy (chief magician) zygoat creative technical services http://www.zygoat.ca

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Doggiebox resurgence
by Ben Kennedy 05 Jun '09

05 Jun '09

Hey all, In typical form, some news on the Doggiebox front after a long spell of silence. :) I think I mentioned here awhile back that I had moved a couple of years ago to go to film school for a change of pace and new creative/ intellectual stimulation. In April of last year, I was hired for a full- time position as an assistant editor in post-production here in Vancouver. It has been a fun and rewarding new experience. Alas, I was recently laid off (along with the bulk of the company's staff) and am now back on my own. Given the circumstances, I have decided establish a new office/work space and ramp up Mac software development efforts again, full-time. Over the coming weeks my intent is to address current bugs and usability problems in Doggiebox, and begin a new branch where I can finally get working on long-awaited new features and improvements such as have been raised and discussed on this list in the past. I've already fixed a MIDI export problem under 10.4 as well as a copy- and-paste bug in the pattern editor, and should have a maintenance release out soon. I would like to thank you all for your enthusiasm over the past few years, and I'm heartened that you're still hanging around on this list. :) -ben -- Ben Kennedy (chief magician) zygoat creative technical services http://www.zygoat.ca

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Traditional Drum Notation
by Mr. Tony Johnson 29 May '09

29 May '09

Hi all! Is there any way to use drum notation instead of the custom icons? I'm trying to learn to read score and find the icons confusing. In fact, if anybody has any ideas for editing drum score, I'd be happy to hear them. Guitar Pro will do it and play them back, but it's not as easy to enter notation as it is in doggie box. Cheers Tony

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Version 1.4.2 posted
by Ben Kennedy 21 May '09

21 May '09

Hey all, This new release deals with the following bugs: - Fixed a problem where exported MIDI files were corrupted under Mac OS 10.4.11. - Fixed a hang that would occur when attempting to paste beats (not a whole bar) into a bar that's selected wholly (not just some beats). The drums will now be pasted at the corresponding place in which they were copied from the source bar. - Removed some compressed file formats from the Export Audio dialog which Doggiebox did not properly support. Download at <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox.zip> -ben -- Ben Kennedy (chief magician) zygoat creative technical services http://www.zygoat.ca

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Temporary mail server problem
by Ben Kennedy 20 May '09

20 May '09

Hey all, There was an issue with the mail server (that handles zygoat.ca email, including this list) between yesterday evening and this morning. Most inbound messages were getting rejected due to a problem with the anti- virus scanner. The problem is now resolved. So, if anyone had trouble posting to the list or replying to me recently, please send your message again! Sorry for the inconvenience. -b -- Ben Kennedy (chief magician) zygoat creative technical services http://www.zygoat.ca

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Doggiebox in Protools
by Thomas Davis 10 May '09

10 May '09

I am wondering if it is possible to send different drum sounds to different tracks in protools...so far I have been making beats, then exporting audio and importing into PT. This doesn't allow me to isolate bass and snare sounds to improve the sound using plug ins in PT. Thanks!

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Re: [Doggiebox] Importing drum sounds
by Charlie 05 Jan '09

05 Jan '09

Gotchya... The sample you sent is 44.101 kHz - DB needs it to be 44.100 kHz. Not a lot of difference, but obviously enough. I've just successfully imported the sound into DB by converting it with iTunes. Import the samples into iTunes. Set you iTunes preferences (NB - take note of the existing settings to change this back when you've finished..) General Tab --> Import Settings button. Set Import Using: AIFF Encoder Setting: Custom and choose Sample Rate: 44.100 kHz Sample Size: 16 bit Channels: Auto Then high-light all the imported samples in iTunes and choose Advanced --> Create AIFF Version. This will add new the samples at the correct rate and can be imported into DB. If you have your iTunes import set up to Copy files to iTunes music Folder when adding to library, they will be in a folder in your iTunes directory - you can see the new ones as they will have the .aif extension ( or sort them by Date Modified) Once in DB, you can delete them from iTunes (provided the sounds were embedded in DB, not linked) Get back to me if any of the instructions miss the point. Cheers Charlie On 04/01/2009, at 6:28 AM, jimmya arceneaux wrote: >> Hi Jimmya >> >> No answers yet I see. I guess everyone (like me) is on hols... > > Thanks for responding >> >> 1) what format are the samples in now? DB imports just about >> anything I've thrown at it. What error message do you get? > They are just off the disc as aiff files... > > Inclosed is a png of the error. > > if you want, I have attached a file so you can see what it is as well. > >> >> 2)I have attached a copy of the Yahama9000 kit (which will be >> stripped from the Message list, but you should get it) - is this the >> sort of kit you're trying to create ( you'll need to point the kit to >> your samples) > > Thanks for the yamaha kit I will try it out for sure. > And thank you VERY much for your time. > > Happy New Year! > > Jimmy > > > > >> >> Cheers >> >> Charlie >> >> >> >> On 28/12/2008, at 6:29 AM, jimmya arceneaux wrote: >> >>> I have the yamaha drum library, and have had it for years and >>> finally >>> wanna use it. It is kinda old, but has great drum sounds (and yes >>> I am >>> willing to share, i do not even think it's available anymore). >>> >>> So the question is, how do I make the files conform to what >>> doggiebox >>> needs them to be? As in reference to the 44mhz thing? >>> >>> thanks for any and all answers. >>> >>> Jimmy >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> -- >>> --- >>> Zygoat Doggiebox discussion list - <http://www.doggiebox.com> >>> To unsubscribe, view archives or change your options: >>> <http://lists.zygoat.ca/mailman/listinfo/doggiebox> >> >> <01R3.UFHHA HATS closed.aiff><doggie_denial.png>

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Importing drum sounds
by jimmya arceneaux 03 Jan '09

03 Jan '09

I have the yamaha drum library, and have had it for years and finally wanna use it. It is kinda old, but has great drum sounds (and yes I am willing to share, i do not even think it's available anymore). So the question is, how do I make the files conform to what doggiebox needs them to be? As in reference to the 44mhz thing? thanks for any and all answers. Jimmy

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volume
by JP 09 Oct '08

09 Oct '08

Hello, I am completely new to this list and to doggiebox. I have a beginner's question: Can I, and if so how, alter the volume of single components of the drumkit, such as snare or bass, while editing a drum loop ? It would be very unpractical to do this in the drumkit editor window, as this would allow not an adjustment of volume referring to selected bars. Thanks in advance kyurai

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iPhone and plug in?
by Singleton Makin 01 Oct '08

01 Oct '08

is there a app for the iphone? dude I think if you ported it....it would be totally awesome... I know it would sell like hot cakes... if you do can I get a share of your stock? I want in! the economy crashing? only for the greedy people.... isn't God great? I think they should not bail out the bastards...they are not bailing me out....of my business... hey........doggie box as a plug in? and doggie box as a iPhone app by christmas? the APPLE STOCK is going to go crazy this year! I have a gut feeling as the phones...and pods are going to be christmas presents.....nobody really wants to travel that much...but they will.... Let me know your thoughts...I love this app.. I would be honored to sample some weird and eclectic kits..if I had faith that it might be in the can for a plug-in and a iPhone app....imagine all the kids that would take it to school to use it as a beatbox? I know I would as a kid.....wow! sing

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NS drum samples issue
by Frazer Irving 28 Aug '08

28 Aug '08

Howdy folks Not asked a question yet in the years I been here, but I've just dug out my 5 dvds of drum samples from Natural Studios with the intention of building bigger drum kits to use in doggiebox and I find that this is quite impossible...does anyone have any experience of making this work, or any other info that might make this mission a success? Thanks in advance Frazer

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Demo question
by Dominic Taylor 01 Aug '08

01 Aug '08

Hey all, In the demo song which comes with DB, some of the beat squares are red. How do you do this? I can't find it by messing with the buttons and I don't really know what the correct term is. It's difficult to explain but it makes the beats sound less rigid(?). Anyway if anyone could help me out that would be great. Thanks, Visit the student portal @ http://my.victoria.ac.nz

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Export midi and Logic Studio
by Håkon Pettersen 23 Jul '08

23 Jul '08

Hi everyone, it's been a long time since i've checked in on this group and I don't know if theres any activity, but I hope so because I have a problem, and need your help. When I export midi from doggiebox, then import that midi to Logic Pro 8, the midi-file does not follow my project tempo. Nor is it possible to adjust the tempo of the midi region with the tempo-line. The tempo is not even the same in the exported midi file and an exported audio file. What gives? Regards Haakon.

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News from the world 'o Doggiebox?
by Carl Edlund Anderson 21 Jul '08

21 Jul '08

I posted one of my tracks with DB drums on macidol.com, and somone asked if it had real drums -- so I got to say, "No, it's Doggiebox!" :) and provide a link to the DB site. And this made me wonder: What's new in the world of Doggiebox? Anything? Ben? We had DB 1.4.1 back in March, I think, but it's kind of gone quiet again .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/

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Midi file question
by Simon Donovan 22 Apr '08

22 Apr '08

Hi, I'm trying to use the 'Export MIDI file' option in Doggiebox, but am having problems with it. I've created a drum passage in Doggiebox & exported it as a midi file, but when I try to import it into Logic to use, nothing happens, it doesn't import!!?? Any ideas? Thanks Simon _________________________________________________________________ Messenger likes to chat, one on one..or to everyone! Welcome to the Family – Download the Windows Live Messenger now http://get.live.com/messenger/overview/

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Fallaway
by Michael Carlyle 01 Apr '08

01 Apr '08

Here is the next thing that we're are working on, This is nearly finished, except for final mastering. Never know when you're done really. http://foolishu.com/sounds/fallaway.mp3

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1.4.1 fixes export issue (and, whither ns_kit?)
by Ben Kennedy 21 Mar '08

21 Mar '08

Hey all, A tiny update to Doggiebox (1.4.1) is now available. This fixes the bug that was responsible for causing exporting audio to fail under Mac OS X 10.4. Now you Tiger users can finally upgrade (again). :) <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox.zip> Also, as an aside -- I realised today, looking at www.naturalstudio.co.uk, that it seems Douglas Whates has sold the entire ns_kit project (to a Quebec-based company). Interesting. Also looks like the former free version of nskit_7 is no longer anywhere to be found... drag! -ben -- Ben Kennedy (chief magician) zygoat creative technical services http://www.zygoat.ca

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(Sort of) new track with Doggiebox drums
by Carl Edlund Anderson 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

One of the first recordings I made with Doggiebox was a song called "Afterburner" back in 2004 or so. I knocked up a very simple drum part using Mike Carlyle's .dbkit for ns_kit6 in just a few minutes, and recorded it on my Roland VS-1680, running stereo audio to the unit out of my iBook's headphone jack. (I think I may have used the then-new MIDI MMC features in Doggiebox to control the VS-1680 ... or maybe that was another song ... I don't remember!) It was a pretty useful demo (for all that I never removed the metronomic woodblock clicks from a couple of places), as the band I played with for a couple of years in England used it to learn the song for live performance. I always wanted to record a new version (I eventually changed the main riff slightly), using Garageband, but never got a guitar or bass sound there that I liked as well as the one I had on the original VS-1680 recording. Then, when I left the UK for South America, I had to sell the VS-1680, but I slurped my recordings from it off to Garageband first. This past week, I decided to revisit my old "Afterburner" recording. I remixed it in Garageband, tarting it up in various ways -- notably making new, fancier (and multitrack) drums in the Doggiebox. So from the point of view of Doggiebox, it's all new. (Even if it still has the same guitars, basses, and even the dodgy vocal of the the original demo! ;) Here's the link: <http://www.carlaz.com/music/Afterburner.mp3> It's a pretty straight-up and shamelessly derivative space-rock/ stoner-rock in a kind of Hawkwind-meets-Kyuss-and-Monster-Magnet kind of thing. (And, so, great fun to play live! :) The new version's drums change ns_kit6 for the ns_kit7 samples I've been using of late. Maybe someday I'll find the guitar/bass sounds to record an all new version -- though I'll probably stick with the current drums :) -- but I'm reasonably happy with the newly reinvented version for the moment. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/

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Final beta up
by Ben Kennedy 28 Feb '08

28 Feb '08

Hey yall, Over the past several weeks I've been tied up with some film projects followed by a bunch of less-satisfying sys-admin type crap, so I have been slower getting this out than I hoped. That said, here is what I expect to be the last build before an actual new public release. <http://www.doggiebox.com/distribution/Doggiebox-1F5.zip> Number of small internal changes throughout this one, but which should not present any obvious differences. Having said that, there is one functional change that came out of a recent discussion: • To improve ease of most frequent use, the invocation behaviour for the “Insert Bar[s]” button in the Inspector has been reversed. Now, its default function is “Insert Bar” (one bar). To insert several bars, first hold Shift so that it becomes “Insert Bars...”, and you will be prompted as before. Comments welcome. I need to verify/get the documentation and web site up to date, then I hope to post the 1.4 final and a public announcement within the next couple of days. -ben -- Ben Kennedy (chief magician) zygoat creative technical services http://www.zygoat.ca

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Re: [Doggiebox] Doggiebox Digest, Vol 53, Issue 6
by Singleton Makin 22 Feb '08

22 Feb '08

Works on the MacBookPro Duo Core no stutter thankyou! Cheers sing makinworks.com

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Advice on actual drums
by Michael Carlyle 06 Feb '08

06 Feb '08

Although I'll probably always use DB for finished productions, I am toying with the notion of buying a cheap set to use for writing and some recording. I'm not completely without drum skills, but I really don't know much about the gear or how to tweak it for recording. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Pulse-Pro-Drum-Set-Wine-Red-? sku=444657 That link has a set that attracts me from a value perspective. Some of the reviews make me think twice, but on the other hand, these reviewers don't know about the cobbled together piece of crap drum kit I had borrowed for a couple of years. I got lots of satisfaction playing that beater, and it sounded pretty good on recordings as well. I think that kit linked above is a step up. On the other hand, I could probably try to build a kit from parts found on ebay, possibly cheaper. What should I look out for?

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this may be an already answered question
by jimmya arceneaux 17 Jan '08

17 Jan '08

I finally dusted off doggiebox for some demo work I am doing and have a question: When I export sections of songs, there is always a space at the end of each section that I have to edit in whatever app I am using to track. Is there a way to eliminate this BEFORE I export? Thanks for your time. Jimmy

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Warren Street Kit
by Sion Morris 16 Jan '08

16 Jan '08

Just thought I'd post up a work in progress of my Warren Street Db kit. Work is piling up a bit at the moment, so I may not be able to get back on to it for a while - but thought you guys would like to check it out so far. www.sionsmusic.cinnamondesign.co.uk Then go to the free music downloads section and click on the doggiebox kits I think its mostly the hi hats that still need attention. I've been trying to organize them by ear rather than filename. To my ears, there is one main useful progression from hh tap to open long hh, I've represented this with a dot which expands to a line as the duration increases, also the line fattens with velocity. The difference in vertical position is there just to add being able to differentiate between lengths of hit. Also I've numbered this progression as an extra cue. There are some of the other hh samples included - don't know what to do with these yet! Also there are some different ones using closed mic. The hh samples are quite different to the other samples. Would appreciate anyone's thoughts on how this might be made better. I think the other kit icons work fine though. I've returned to a colour system to differentiate the different drums blue for kick; red for snare; green for toms. Also a variation in the colours - light green for hi tom, deep for floor. The hardest hit kick is a darker blue too. For the snare, there seemed to be two sample progressions, and although not labeled, I'm guessing that this is left and right strike, so have ordered them as such. There is a little left and right dot to indicate which one is which. I've also separated them out by a few percent in the pan. Velocities are indicated by 4 sized circles and where there are variations on a similar strike, I've put numbers in the circle so its easy to see at a glance. Most velocities have a few variations. One big omission is a ride. Maybe one from another kit can be added later. I like this kit a lot as there are no too many variations in velocities to be un-manageable, but enough to give very good expression especially in kick, snare and tom combinations. One thing I have noticed is that the toms are a little basey, so filtering out the very deep bass in Garageband might be a good idea. Also included in the download is a sample db track ('The End' by the Beatles, as its got a good drum solo in the middle) and the photoshop file I used for the icons. Enjoy :-) Sion ------------------------------------------ Sion Morris www.sionsmusic.cinnamondesign.co.uk

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